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Re: [RFI] Tiny SA Ultra with DXE Flag and Preamp?

To: Pete Smith N4ZR <pete.n4zr@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [RFI] Tiny SA Ultra with DXE Flag and Preamp?
From: Don Kirk <wd8dsb@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2023 11:38:01 -0400
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Hi Pete,

I suggest buying it from an approved/authorized dealer.  R&L Electronics is
one of the approved/authorized dealers and that’s where I’ve purchased both
my TinySA and TinySA Ultra from.  You can go to TinySA.org to see the full
list of approved dealers.

Just FYI,
Don wd8dsb

On Fri, Sep 15, 2023 at 11:32 AM Pete Smith N4ZR <pete.n4zr@gmail.com>
wrote:

> This was very interesting - the TinySA Ultra sounds like a great tool.
> Checking online, I was surprised to find it for sale for as little as
> $70 (Karagas), and as much as $140 (Rbay).  In this era of unauthorized
> cloning, I'm wondering if there is a way to identify a good one.
>
> 73, Pete N4ZR
>
> On 9/15/2023 11:03 AM, Don Kirk wrote:
> > Hi Dave and gang,
> >
> > The DXE preamp gain is approximately 30 dB (with its attenuators turned
> > off) until about 35MHz and then the gain drops like a rock above that
> point
> > so overload from VHF and above stuff is normally not an issue.  Also down
> > on 160 meters the gain of the portable flag is -63 dBi and gets lower as
> > you go lower in frequency so this naturally helps attenuate strong AM
> > broadcast stations.  On 30 MHz the portable flag gain is -19 dBi.
> >
> > I just ran a quick test with my TinySA Ultra with its LNA on and the DXE
> > preamp inline and on with no attenuation selected and the AM filter
> turned
> > on and the strongest AM broadcast station was a station running 5 KW and
> > 9.4 miles from my house on 1260 KHz and it measured -55 dBm.  Strongest
> > signal received between 200 kHz and 5.3 GHz with DXE preamp AM filter
> > turned on was -40 dBm and it was from a shortwave broadcast station on
> > approximately 13.6 MHz.  To prevent internally generated spurious
> emissions
> > on the TinySA Ultra I try to keep signal levels below -25 dBm.  I also
> ran
> > a self test on my TinySA Ultra after the above tests and it passed with
> > flying colors.
> >
> > The bottom line to avoid overload from AM broadcast stations when using
> the
> > TinySA Ultra with its LNA on when using the DXE preamp is to make sure
> the
> > DXE preamp AM broadcast filter is turned on but even in my tests today at
> > my QTH having the AM filter turned on was not necessary (also a good idea
> > to have the TinySA Ultra attenuator set to Auto).  I measured the AM
> > broadcast station on 1260 KHz at -70 dBm using just the TinySA Ultra with
> > its LNA on when connected directly to the portable flag (DXE preamp not
> > connected) and it measured -37 dBm with the DXE preamp inline and on with
> > its AM filter turned off which is still well below the overload point on
> > the TinySA Ultra.  Therefore unless you are very close to a high power AM
> > broadcast station or another very close in transmitter / source of RFI,
> > overload of the TinySA Ultra with its LNA on and the DXE preamp inline
> and
> > and on with the AM Filter selected is really not as likely as one might
> > think.  I would not have the TinySA Ultra LNA on unless needed to see a
> > very weak signal, but this is normal regarding any receiver I'm using as
> I
> > also switch in attenuators as needed to keep the signal of interest under
> > the full scale reading of the S meter on my receiver as an example.
> >
> > Just FYI, and 73,
> > Don wd8dsb
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Sep 15, 2023 at 8:43 AM David Eckhardt<davearea51a@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> With the preamp you purchased with the Flag antenna and the preamp
> built in
> >> and selectable within the TinySA Ultra, you should have enough
> >> gain/sensitivity to well overload the TinySA, unless you live in the
> middle
> >> of nowhere with no cell coverage, no TV, no FM, no daytime AM radio,
> >> and......  Yes, those places still exist here in the west.
> >>
> >> Dave - WØLEV
> >>
> >> On Thu, Sep 14, 2023 at 2:21 AM Jim Miller<jim@jtmiller.com>  wrote:
> >>
> >>> I've got a TinySA Ultra and recently purchased the DXE Flag by WD8DSB
> and
> >>> Preamp. I'm wondering if the combination will be adequately sensitive
> or
> >>> should I use some other receiver?
> >>>
> >>> Thanks
> >>>
> >>> Jim ab3cv
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