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by LU5DX on January 7, 2009
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I feel very sad my friends. And in behalf of most of LU Contesters I must apologize for all this.
I don't see the point in writing those lines here when they have already been published in NS3T. (in an informative way)
Who are we to request further clarification from authorities or contest organizers in a public site for a situation that is not yet clear and that involves well known contesters.
And furthermore, for something that supposedly happened in the terms described by the article author in a foreign country not in LU!!!!!!!!
Even worse, to list LU callsings (though it was done in private messages) as unauthorized ones, when not a single operation has been DQed, nor has been penalized by our local PTT.
I just can't believe it.
Sincerely
Martin, LU5DX
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by LU1DZ on January 7, 2009
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Martin LU5DX
I�m very sorry you decided to cross the line instead show a "Contest big spirt" to teach others to learn the way.
How far is this moment where you receive the LU8DQ Memorial plaque I donated.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KnA3Gmnl1_Q&feature=PlayList&p=A45541BF7E9AC030&index=17
Please try to speak for yourself .
I hope you misunderstanding my bad english.
I�m sure you don�t need it but I will focus my post, first in english and then in spanish, may be you
can understand it now.
"A wake up call to contest organizers
These actions should be taken by the contest organizers as a wake up call, because if they do not take a clear action in this case, the contests will be abandoned by those who follow the rules and laws and feel spurned and pushed aside by increasingly documented irregularities".
"En la direcci�n correcta...
Estas acciones deben ser asumidas por los organizadores como un verdadero
llamado de alerta, pues si no adoptan una clara acci�n en este sentido, los mismos ser�n abandonados por quienes cumplen con las reglas y leyes y se sienten menospreciados y dejados de lado ante el cumulo de iregularidades detectadas".
Muchos saludos
Best regards
Alberto U. Silva LU1DZ
WWSA Contest Manager
http://www.youtube.com/lu1dz
http://www.geocities.com/lu1dz
http://gacw.no-ip.org
http://ar.groups.yahoo.com/group/wwsatest/
http://www.geocities.com/eetecar
http://ar.groups.yahoo.com/group/uranito/
http://www.lu-escuelas.com.ar
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by LU1DZ on January 8, 2009
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Dear OM Matt KQ7W:
Many thanks for your post.
Yes, probably it�s better to cut the names of those persons involved in this contest tricky bussines, but nothing will change because you can search and find them in many web sites who don�t support such ilegal operation like GACW is doing.
In any case, you can choose (or not) other names that are broken the contest "Big Spirit" because they wanted the instant gratification (the old-fashioned kind takes just too long - that happiness requires patience and I don't want to wait, etc.), although they know that this will not give them any happiness.
We received this info personally from a GACW Member Juan Camilo HK3CQ who was visiting us last december, HK3CQ is a very well know colombian amateur radio, he have an Economy degree and a Doctorate in History, actually he is in charge of the Investigation Department of some Bogota University. His wife Consuelo who was studying in France an other european contries, is dedicated to the art, his 14 years old daugther Mariana is at high school and his 18 years old soon Felipe is going to complete his studies in Australia.
My family enjoyed to share our Xmas time with them.
I showed the name of people involved in this affaire in a context of understanting who is who.
I post this article here as the World Wide South America DX CW Contest Manager in a web site that is located in the United States of America, the one of the bigest Democracy source, in the name of the free speaches, hopping to speak freely without censorship, limitation, intolerance or dicrimination.
From his early days, because GACW adopted that philosophy position, is frequently suffering a lot of discrimination and a prejudicial treatment from organization or persons who walk in the opposite side or because they heat Morse Code.
The source of GACW position is very simple, "the way our father show us, what our mother teach us and what we learn in the public school".
Many thanks for your contribution and I hope to meet you in the HF bands.
Muchos saludos
Best regards
Alberto U. Silva LU1DZ
WWSA Contest Manager
http://www.youtube.com/lu1dz
http://www.geocities.com/lu1dz
http://gacw.no-ip.org
http://ar.groups.yahoo.com/group/wwsatest/
http://www.geocities.com/eetecar
http://ar.groups.yahoo.com/group/uranito/
http://www.lu-escuelas.com.ar
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by LU5DX on January 8, 2009
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Al.
First of all I hope you understand all this has nothing to do with the appreciation I feel for you.
You know I deeply respect your contest career teaming up with Jorge LU8DQ in the 60's. I always tried to support as much as I could contests or other activities organized by you.
Second of all, in my case I feel I have no right to teach nothing to anybody and I hope I haven't crossed any dangerous line!
I just feel very sad for what's going on. I believe Dimitri and Girts deserve respect for the background as contesters and specially for their qualities as persons and friends.
I agree with you that contest organizers must take all possible care to assure fair play within all possible rules and regulations of our activity as amateur radio operators.
You know, contesting is always evolving and changes in contest rules may take years. Just as an example, whenever I had the opportunity I let cq ww contest committee members know that contest log should be made public after the log checking process. I started asking for that in 1996 and it only happened after 10 years in 2006.
In this case, if a more serious process must be established to assure all licensing requirements have been satisfied for a contest operation, I just believe there is no need to name names, specially for a situation that is not yet clear and involves well known contesters.
I always believe the "bona fide" principle should prevail. And in this case I'm totally sure RA3CO and YL2KL proceeded that way (with bona fide).
But please let me disagree with you in the way this problem is being treated. And please understand this is not personal.
Remember? In the meeting where you gave me the plaque for WWSA I still told you I didn't understand nor I supported your actions against LR4A in the IARU 2007.
I hope we can disagree and still have respect for each other and a good relationship as we always did.
Best regards.
Martin, LU5DX
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by LU5DX on January 8, 2009
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Well..... the more I read the more I don't really understand!
I really Hope CQ DOES NOT DQ RA3CO, nor they DQ YL2KL!
Who in heaven is HK3CQ to ask HK PTT not to allow these fellow contesters to operate from HK in the Future!!!! Who in this universe does he think he is to ask such such a malicious action against fellow amateur radio operators.!!
This is INSANE!
This guys (RA3CO/YL2KL)made a bona fide approach to contesting from HK.
There are several things involved, a possible strong language barrier, the fact that their host may have assured to them that everything was in place for the operation, etc, etc.
Is it so crazy for this HK fellows to think a more decent and rational solution than this bellicose crap!
Is it so hard to ask their HK PTT to issue kind of a warning for future operations as a corrective action, or to ask CQ to state something about this subject in the contest rules instead of asking for DQing our friends.
The more I read the worse I feel about all this.
I still think the vast majority of ham radio operators think of goodwill, international friendship, peace, understanding, and all possible positive things in the first place, rather than thinking in severe out of place punishments for their fellow amateur radio operators/contesters.
No wonder why peace is so hard to keep in nowadays world.
Vy sad!
Martin, LU5DX
P.S. I really hope the contest community take some kind of action to prevent CQ from DQing our friends.
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by LU1DZ on January 8, 2009
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Martin LU5DX:
Time to time is a good practice to go to the library.
The books describe hipocrisy as a lack of sincerity.
Sincerity to asume my mistakes...
Sincerity to fill the contest log...
Sincerity with the amount of final power used...
Sincerity to use the correct callsign..
Sincerity with the QTH/Location used, asking for pardon, giving excuses, etc.
I don�t want to presume that the actions of "your friends" are indicative of the kind of person they are, rather than the kind of situations that compels
their conscious or unconscious behaviour. But I�m sure that those who you call "your friends" has a lack of sincerity
Juan Camilo is acting as is described in the law books of most countries. The "Citizen arrest" (or nearly named) is an act made by a person that isn�t a formal law enforcement agency agent.
Normally this is a power for some kind of criminal acts but in some countries you can go to jail and in some jurisdictions this offences can be proceeded with summarily, without the right to a jury trial.
For a better understanding of your point, would you please explaine my if you are the leader of a group of persons (not real amateur radio at all) who like to broken the contest rules and/or telecom law as his normal style of life ...?.
Muchos saludos
Best regards
Alberto U. Silva LU1DZ
WWSA Contest Manager
http://www.youtube.com/lu1dz
http://www.geocities.com/lu1dz
http://gacw.no-ip.org
http://ar.groups.yahoo.com/group/wwsatest/
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http://ar.groups.yahoo.com/group/uranito/
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by LU5DX on January 8, 2009
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Hi again Al, LU1DZ:
I believe not all the books in the universe can compensate for the lack of goodwill. (And I'm not talking about you, I'm talking about HK3CQ)
I studied law in the 90's and there are several principles being broken in the way this subject is being treated.
First and most important the principle of "inocence". This situation is not yet clear.
Second of all the principle of "bona fide"
Are this HK guys "by passing" this two principles?
Do they believe these two contesters are already guilty? and, Do they believe the deliberately proceeded in order to avoid the HK law?
Is their mind so freaking small that these HK guys can't think first that there may be a misunderstanding, or whatever you want to call it???
Do they have to ask for DQing stations instead of thinking of better ways to clarify contest rules, or whatever you can think to avoid this situations in the future???
If books lead to this creepy way of thinking I promise I'll stay way away from the library from now on.
My friends without "", because I consider them real friends, and I met them both in person, proceeded based on what they knew from their hosts, and based also in the information they were provided.
For your better understanding of my point I can't say anything because you won't ever understand my point.
I'm not the leader of anything. I just co-founded a group of contesters back in 2000. That's it. We have no rules, no officers, just members who are willing to get on the air and join major contests and have fun without breaking any rules. That's it.
To me Al, this has nothing to do with that. Neither it has to do with books, nor with being literate about laws. This has to do with common sense, goodwill, and some other values, that are well above written books or laws.
With regards.
Martin, LU5DX
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by LU1DZ on January 9, 2009
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Martin LU5DX:
Hipocrisy is a lack of sincerity.
Sincerity to asume my mistakes...
Sincerity to fill the contest log...
Sincerity with the amount of final power used...
Sincerity to use the correct callsign..
Sincerity with the QTH/Location used,
...asking for pardon,
...hiden portable location,
...giving excuses,
...using spots,
...etc.
The contest rules have to preserve the essence of the "legally-protected right o legally-protected interest" by the telecom law and provide equality
for all participant, not to be used to justify criminal acts.
Muchos saludos
Best regards
Alberto U. Silva LU1DZ
WWSA Contest Manager
http://www.youtube.com/lu1dz
http://www.geocities.com/lu1dz
http://gacw.no-ip.org
http://ar.groups.yahoo.com/group/wwsatest/
http://www.geocities.com/eetecar
http://ar.groups.yahoo.com/group/uranito/
http://www.lu-escuelas.com.ar
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by 4L5A on January 9, 2009
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Alberto your advertizing your self like person who is fight for the true
Look on that:
Its interesting did Colombian law is allowing that?
Call: 5K5Z
Operator(s): W4OI
Station: HK3CQ
Class: SOSB/20 LP
QTH: Colombia
Operating Time (hrs): 26
Summary:
Band QSOs Zones Countries
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160:
80:
40:
20: 1585 36 118
15:
10:
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Total: 1585 36 118 Total Score = 750,000
Its CQ WW CW 2004
According to QRZ.COM 5K5Z is belong to:
Gary McClellan,3422 E Altadena Ave,Phoenix, USA
That clearly show how HK3CQ is following own country rules Propably he need to send complain about his self also to CQ WW CC and to Ministry of Communication of Colombia
If you real like to present your self then Im expecting to see that you apoligize and ask CQ WW CC to wake up and DQ HK3CQ if not everything you saying here is only to share another xmas day with HK3CQ :-)
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by LU5DX on January 9, 2009
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The lines below, according to www.radio-sport.net belong to a letter sent by HK3CQ to K3EST.
"The situation is so severe that many have said they will no longer participate in CQWW contests until the committee takes action." (HK3CQ Dixit, according to www.radio-sport.net)
I've sent ten (10) emails to HK contesters (based on callsings listed in the results of CQ WW DX SSB/CW)
Seven (7) of them have replied they don't endorse HK3CQ's actions at all. (the other three have not replied yet)
I wonder why they all (the seven that replied) are so afraid of giving their opinions in public! They all requested full privacy. And they all expressed how sad they feel about this situation.
So I wonder who are these HK contesters whose lack of goodwill makes them put pressure in CQ WW Contest Committee saying the will no longer enter CQ contests if RA3CO/YL2KL don't get DQed.!
If HK3CQ statement is true (which I of course seriously doubt)... who needs contesters like that? I'd rather loose the HK multiplier than working people with such lack of goodwill and poor spirit....
73
Martin, LU5DX
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