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A wake up call to contest organizers
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by ey8mm on January 6, 2009
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I know Dmitry RA3CO and Girts YL2KL personally as dedicated contesters and very nice guys. Lately I noticed few articles about HK operation and first question which come to my mind is why it is published so late if first "illegal" operation happened back in 2006?
I am fully support statement that all operations should not violate local laws. This issue out of question.
I strongly believe that this situation should be clarified between Colombian Hams and RA3CO and YL2KL first. As I see from these posts we see a word representing only one side.
Contest organizers has no complain. Station owner who provide station had no complain. Usually when I travel myself local Hams always assist me with explanations how to make operation in proper way. Here it seems like different reason of these publications.
I will be very happy if I am wrong. I hope that this conflict will be resolved in Ham Spirit way.
HNY!
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A wake up call to contest organizers
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by 4L5A on January 6, 2009
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Dear Alberto,
I think you need to call it "Wake up call to national radioamateur organizations"
I see HK3CQ is involve in simple blackmail against
CQ WW CC
I send you email with explanation but because I dont receive answer on my second email and you tell me that you will still support HK3CQ position Im giving you answer
Answer is quite long(much longer then your letter) and you can read that on http://contesting.at-communication.com/en/lu1dz_wwsa_hk3cq_ra3co_yl2kl_k3est_hk3ra/
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by lw2dx on January 6, 2009
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Hi everyone and HNY from north Italy....
"...I hope that this conflict will be resolved in Ham Spirit way..."
Well...don't really know how a conflict can be resolved in a "ham spirit way"...In fact, what's that..???
And what about a resolution in a "non ham spirit way"...??...I think it will be better...much better for us all...
Fernando
LW2DX
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RE: A wake up call to contest organizers
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by LU1DZ on January 6, 2009
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Hello dear Alexander 4L5A:
About my post "A wake up call to contest organizers" in Contesting.com.
The GACW position in general (and my position in particular) is that everyone must be sure to follow the rules before taste the contest adenaline.
I�m sorry I can�t match your position about this subject, we have another perspective of the amateur radio spirit.
We can�t avoid to be a "contest watch dog" in favor of those ham radios who compete following the rules.
In this particular case or any other case: "the subject could be resolved by simply asking the denounced persons to save their honor and good name by showing their authorization to operate and thereby putting an end to the subject".
Muchos saludos
Best regards
Alberto U. Silva LU1DZ
WWSA Contest Manager
http://www.youtube.com/lu1dz
http://www.geocities.com/lu1dz
http://gacw.no-ip.org
http://ar.groups.yahoo.com/group/wwsatest/
http://www.geocities.com/eetecar
http://ar.groups.yahoo.com/group/uranito/
http://www.lu-escuelas.com.ar
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RE: A wake up call to contest organizers
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by LU1DZ on January 6, 2009
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Dear Nodir EY8MM:
Many thanks for your answer.
I�m sure it�s a mistake and nobody will be killed for this type of operation.
But the station owner have a big resposability to provide his station for such ilegal operation and (We) the contest organizers must try to "find the point to point way" to find a solution to this subjects.
May be you can help us inviting those good friends to make his mistake public here and then ask to the contest organizers to use their logs as a "check log" only.
A simple message will provide an easy and complete solution and the discussion will finish inmediatly.
Muchos saludos
Best regards
Alberto U. Silva LU1DZ
WWSA Contest Manager
http://www.youtube.com/lu1dz
http://www.geocities.com/lu1dz
http://gacw.no-ip.org
http://ar.groups.yahoo.com/group/wwsatest/
http://www.geocities.com/eetecar
http://ar.groups.yahoo.com/group/uranito/
http://www.lu-escuelas.com.ar
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by ey8mm on January 6, 2009
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Dear Alberto!
I believe that key point of problem is statement that their operation is "illegal". So Check log or will change nothing. The problem is NOT between contest organizers and RA3CO/YL2KL. Problems is somewhere in HK (station owners, call sign owners, PTT , other officials etc) which looks for me very strange.
I can not imagine that someone come for my QTH to operate the contest and I did not make sure it is done legally. Specially for stations who rent stations for money compensation.
Both of guys travel WW and provide excellent mult from many places. And another strange thing that both of them operated "illegally" from one country and has no problems anywhere in the world.
Last thing which scared me is your statement more is advice to change to Checklog. How Checklog or Not-Checklog can affect situation if operation was illegal? Do Colombian authority that deep in Ham Radio Contesting?
I don't want to offend anyone by my comments. I have high respect for Colombian Hams. But I beleive that this situation is to be resolved in HK because you, me and any third party reader has no full information to make correct conclusions.
I am not fond of this public discussions so if someone interested to continue discussing subject with me personally please contact me by e-mail.
Only reason I made this notes that I don't agree with your conclusions at all. But your willingness to make contesting better is greatly appreciated!
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by LU1DZ on January 7, 2009
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Dear OM Nodir EY8MM:
Many thanks for your remarks.
I hope to be more specific and that our lenguage differences will be shorted.
There is a big difference in between.
a - Sending your log to compete when broken the contest rules and/or the telecomm country law.
a.1 The one who compete knowing he�s broken the rules/law is making a fraud.
a.2 - "In the broadest sense, a fraud is a deception made for personal gain or to damage another individual. The specific legal definition varies by legal jurisdiction. Fraud is a crime, and is also a civil law violation. Many hoaxes are fraudulent, although those not made for personal gain are not technically frauds. Defrauding people of money is presumably the most common type of fraud, but there have also been many fraudulent "discoveries" in art, archaeology, and science". (Wiki).
b - Knowing that you made this type of mistake, and you decided to send your log (or not) but out of competition because you don�t want to compete making a fraud.
b.1 "A pardon is the forgiveness of a crime and the penalty associated with it"
I�m very sorry you refuse to continue this subject because "an adult free speaking" can help to a better understanding and we will make a good
contribution to the amateur radio and contest community.
Many thanks for your contribution.
Muchos saludos
Best regards
Alberto U. Silva LU1DZ
WWSA Contest Manager
http://www.youtube.com/lu1dz
http://www.geocities.com/lu1dz
http://gacw.no-ip.org
http://ar.groups.yahoo.com/group/wwsatest/
http://www.geocities.com/eetecar
http://ar.groups.yahoo.com/group/uranito/
http://www.lu-escuelas.com.ar
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by ey8mm on January 7, 2009
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Dear Alberto,
Because this situation involve RA3CO and HK side I was hopping that they resolve it themselves. I did not refuse from discussion at all. I just said what I wanted to say. I know first hand that it is not that obvious as you are stating regarding license. Their are some names which were involved. But it is not my way making rumors. And I am not a judge. If you are interested to go really deep in this conflict - contact RA3CO. If he likes he will tell you how much he paid for license etc. He can show his mail exchange with HK fellows etc etc.
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by 4L5A on January 7, 2009
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Alberto I dont know about what crime you talking about here I think blackmail is not right things
What do you want contest comittee to do to DQ RA3CO
and YL2KL like HK3CQ want?
Do you want contest comittee to ask everybody to send
copy of their license together with their log?
Organize first your self and your society
You mention to me some calls operating from LU illegally they are DQed or you ask CQ WW Committee to
do any action?
I think illegal operation is first job of local PTT and not LU1DZ and HK3CQ
I understand you dont have anything from local PTT
CQ WW CC is dont ask for copy of the license and also
remember there is many station operate in the contest
and count like multiplier but not accepted by DXCC
Ok I dont know on the same time if I need to explain
you something because Im not sure that you hearing
what others say
No body is support operation with out of license but
situation in HK is not just like white and black and
that question need to be cleared in HK and not in LU
HK3CQ is quired
HK1AR is quired
Why they are renting stations in HK if its illegal??
73
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by kq7w on January 7, 2009
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Interesting debate,
This article was just pointed out to me by a friend just now, and I tried my best to hold back, laugh at it, and let it go, but no.. I had to reply.
I have to side with Nodir on this one.
It is not for me to judge who did what or why, I believe the best way to handle these things is to contact the authorities in PRIVATE and let them handle the case accordingly.
Spreading what might or may not be erroneous information on a public forum with just the intent of stirring the pot does not really count.
best, 73
Matt - KQ7W
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