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Re: [RFI] Another Solar Panel RFI Victim

To: "dan.k2ywe@gmail.com" <dan.k2ywe@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [RFI] Another Solar Panel RFI Victim
From: "Hare, Ed, W1RFI" <w1rfi@arrl.org>
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2022 15:09:36 +0000
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Here was the Solar Edge response I found in an Aug 2022 PV Magazine article:

"“SolarEdge and Ampt have been litigating a dispute involving a patent family 
filed by SolarEdge and a patent family filed by Ampt before the US Patent and 
Trademark Office (USPTO) for many years,” SolarEdge told pv magazine. 
“Recently, the USPTO awarded priority of invention to SolarEdge, canceled the 
claims of Ampt’s patents, and awarded the patent claims in these Ampt patents 
to SolarEdge. It appears that having lost before the USPTO, Ampt is now 
shopping around its claims to other courts. SolarEdge anticipates a vigorous 
defense of these new cases.”

If this statement is true, I don't think that the issue on ethics is fully 
represented by the claims of the attorney filing the class-action suit. We see 
those claims all the time in various advertisements. Patent claims happen all 
the time and many are due to the US Patent Office not thoroughly checking 
patent applications.

Having said that, Solar Edge has been more responsive than most manufacturers 
regarding interference complaints. There have indeed been a few problems that 
seemed to get derailed, but the majority of the reported cases have been 
resolved.

Ed Hare, W1RFI
ARRL Lab





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From: RFI <rfi-bounces+w1rfi=arrl.org@contesting.com> on behalf of Dan K2YWE 
<dan.k2ywe@gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2022 9:59 AM
To: Hare, Ed, W1RFI <w1rfi@arrl.org>
Cc: Rfi List <rfi@contesting.com>
Subject: Re: [RFI] Another Solar Panel RFI Victim

BTW
Have you seen this? A bit of a peek into SolarEdge's ethics.
https://www.krqe.com/business/press-releases/cision/20221205NY54152/class-action-alert-the-law-offices-of-vincent-wong-remind-solaredge-investors-of-a-lead-plaintiff-deadline-of-january-3-2023/


73, Dan

On Mon, Dec 12, 2022, 9:57 AM Hare, Ed, W1RFI <w1rfi@arrl.org> wrote:

> On what basis do you believe that the SE equipment is in violation of the
> emissions limits, Pete? The FCC rules set limits on radiated emissions
> above 30 MHz and on emissions conducted onto the AC mains below 30 MHz.
> There is no emissions limits on radiated or conducted emissions below 30
> MHz on any wiring except the 120/240 volt AC mains.
> ________________________________
> From: RFI <rfi-bounces+w1rfi=arrl.org@contesting.com> on behalf of Pete
> Smith N4ZR <pete.n4zr@gmail.com>
> Sent: Monday, December 12, 2022 9:35 AM
> To: rfi@contesting.com <rfi@contesting.com>
> Subject: Re: [RFI] Another Solar Panel RFI Victim
>
> I'm just curious - have you contacted the FCC., or has the ARRL done so?
> This seems like a clear case of SolarEdge violating emission limits,
> which they are supposed to care about.
>
> 73, Pete N4ZR
> One of the RBN team
>
> On 12/10/2022 8:16 PM, Tony wrote:
> > All:
> >
> > A few years ago, I posted a video on solar panel RFI and it's affect
> > on HF. Since then, I've heard from many hams who've experienced the
> > same issue. Most send emails but a few post comments on my Youtube
> > channel like the one below received yesterday from MI5UTC in Ireland:
> >
> > "I see exactly the same here with my recently installed SolarEdge
> > system. My IC7300 is pretty much unusable during the day until it gets
> > dark."
> >
> > One of the saddest comments was received last year from a 15 year old
> > SW listener Nick:
> >
> > "I'm only 15, and super into MW and SW radio, my parents installed
> > solar panels only a few years ago, and I knew it would cause
> > interference. At least by nightfall they shut off for dxing."
> >
> > The common denominator in nearly all of these solar panel RFI cases
> > (including my own) are systems manufactured by SolarEdge. My case with
> > this company is 6 years old and has yet to be resolved. See:
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9awWs4mwC4
> >
> > Thankfully, the ARRL continues to work with SolarEdge to find a solution.
> >
> > Tony -K2MO
> >
> >
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