I log ALL VHF+ contests, which I do portable, on paper. I do not take a
computer with me on these contests as a Portable or as a Rover. I know many
others who do the same. I always transfer the logs to a digital file, which
becomes a Cabrillo, after I get home. I do not know any rule in a VHF
contest that prohibits this.
73, Zack W9SZ
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On Tue, Dec 12, 2023 at 7:10 AM Michael Adams <mda@n1en.org> wrote:
> When it comes to the question of the appropriateness of editing a log
> based on notes taken during a contest, I offer this thought (with the
> obvious caveat that I am not a contest organizer):
>
> Let's say, for the sake of argument, that I played in a contest logging
> all contacts on paper. Most (all?) contests these days require log
> submissions in electronic form.
>
> I think it's still kosher to transfer your paper log to a computer after
> the contest for submission. I'm not aware of a contest requiring computer
> logging during the contest itself (aside from the special case of WRTC).
>
> If that is the case, then, by extension, it's kosher to update your log
> after a contest based on notes made during the contest. The notes made
> during the contest are essentially a paper log supplementing you electronic
> log. Paper logs must be made electronic for submission. QED.
>
> Admittedly this has the difficulty of being impossible to differentiate
> from clearly inappropriate post-contest log-cleaning...but many things in
> our odd little sport do require operating on the honor system, and contest
> organizers do tend to be criticized for rule changes that inconvenience
> operators because of suspected and known failures in the honor system.....
>
> --
>
> Michael Adams | mda@n1en.org<mailto:mda@n1en.org>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Barry Jacobson <bdj@alum.mit.edu>
> Sent: Monday, December 11, 2023 21:37
> To: Art Boyars
> Cc: CQ-Contest Reflector
> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Dead horse #99
>
> Art, there is a new ARRL rule that if you book a ticket and fly to
> Nebraska, it can count the same as working Nebraska. Plus you get to
> go touring.
>
> Barry WA2VIU
> --
> Barry Jacobson
> WA2VIU
> bdj@alum.mit.edu
> @bdj_phd
>
> On Mon, Dec 11, 2023 at 9:06 PM Art Boyars <artboyars@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Thanks for the re-clarification, John.
> >
> > The case I'm describing is covered, if at all, only under "other
> methods".
> > If, after the contest, I notice that I typed "KV01" am I prohibited from
> > correcting it to "KV0I", using only the database in my head? (There is
> no
> > such call as KV01. I know I worked KV0I -- I remember being happy that I
> > had the Nebraska multiplier in the log. I can even find the QSO in my
> log,
> > with the NE Section.)
> >
> > "It's extremely rare that fixing a couple typo errors is going to make a
> > meaningful difference in your result or final standing."
> >
> > That depends on how much I needed that Nebraska mult :>)
> >
> >
> > "Oddly, it seems easier to me to fix the problem while operating vs.
> taking
> > the time to create a note. Maybe I'm missing something with that
> > assumption?"
> >
> > You are missing two things: 1) You type a lot better than I do; 2) Some
> of
> > us are slow/clumsy enough typists that it's faster to grab our
> every-handy
> > pencil and jot a note on a piece of paper. (And I'd allow mental notes,
> if
> > you are honest about it.) Again :>)
> >
> > 73, Art K3KU
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Dec 11, 2023 at 3:16 PM John Dorr <cqk1ar@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Art,
> > >
> > > Thanks for raising this issue. The CQ WW rules are pretty clear about
> this
> > > topic:
> > >
> > > * Correction of logged call signs and exchanges after the contest, by
> use
> > > of any database, recordings, email or other methods, is not allowed.*
> > >
> > > While I personally don't make changes from notes created DURING the
> > > contest, I don't believe the rule suggests that specific practice as
> being
> > > illegal. In sharp contrast, log cleansing against databases or
> recordings
> > > after the contest is very unsportsmanlike and clearly against the
> rules.
> > > Oddly, it seems easier to me to fix the problem while operating vs.
> taking
> > > the time to create a note. Maybe I'm missing something with that
> assumption?
> > >
> > > In the end, however, my advice is to simply submit your log right after
> > > the contest. It takes about 30 seconds for most people. It's extremely
> rare
> > > that fixing a couple typo errors is going to make a meaningful
> difference
> > > in your result or final standing. Questions about why you're taking
> "all
> > > week" to submit is another matter and a contributor to one's negative
> > > reputation. The choice is obvious in my mind.
> > >
> > > 73, John, K1AR
> > >
> > > On Mon, Dec 11, 2023 at 2:40 PM Art Boyars <artboyars@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > >
> > >> I saw somewhere a discussion about how to rescore a log when fixing a
> typo
> > >> error that was noticed AFTER the contest.
> > >>
> > >> I have always felt that errors you noted DURING the contest (computer
> > >> notes
> > >> in the log, or paper notes on the side, or, to be most lenient, even
> > >> mental
> > >> notes) may be fixed after the contest; the notes are part of your
> record.
> > >> Otherwise, a typing error is no different from any other copying
> error.
> > >> We
> > >> are supposed to transcribe the incoming data (the audio, in my case
> -- CW
> > >> and SSB only) into the accepted form of READABLE information. If the
> > >> other
> > >> op sent a "2", and my log has a "3", it does not matter whether I
> heard it
> > >> wrong or I typed it wrong -- it's incorrect.
> > >>
> > >> When I finish a contest, I generate the Cabrillo log and send it in.
> > >> Later, I look at the LCR/UBN to see what mistakes I made. (I'm still
> > >> trying to figure out how I lost one SS Nebraska QSO by logging KV01
> > >> instead
> > >> of KV0I)
> > >>
> > >> (A free story: In one SS CW several years ago, I lost a QSO -- and
> maybe
> > >> a
> > >> mult -- because I logged NR 61 instead of 149 (or something like
> that).
> > >> Weird. I remembered asking him several times for a repeat: "NR? NR?"
> > >> About three years later, looking at some other SS data, I saw that the
> > >> guy's CHECK was 61. He kept sending me his CK instead of his NR, and
> I
> > >> logged what he sent.)
> > >>
> > >> So, is there a real consensus, or real advice from a Sponsor, or a
> real
> > >> rule that says it's OK to correct "obvious" typographical errors
> AFTER the
> > >> contest?
> > >>
> > >> 73, Art K3KU
> > >> (Who always has to review his typing for errors before clicking SEND)
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