When it comes to the question of the appropriateness of editing a log based on
notes taken during a contest, I offer this thought (with the obvious caveat
that I am not a contest organizer):
Let's say, for the sake of argument, that I played in a contest logging all
contacts on paper. Most (all?) contests these days require log submissions in
electronic form.
I think it's still kosher to transfer your paper log to a computer after the
contest for submission. I'm not aware of a contest requiring computer logging
during the contest itself (aside from the special case of WRTC).
If that is the case, then, by extension, it's kosher to update your log after a
contest based on notes made during the contest. The notes made during the
contest are essentially a paper log supplementing you electronic log. Paper
logs must be made electronic for submission. QED.
Admittedly this has the difficulty of being impossible to differentiate from
clearly inappropriate post-contest log-cleaning...but many things in our odd
little sport do require operating on the honor system, and contest organizers
do tend to be criticized for rule changes that inconvenience operators because
of suspected and known failures in the honor system.....
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Michael Adams | mda@n1en.org<mailto:mda@n1en.org>
________________________________
From: Barry Jacobson <bdj@alum.mit.edu>
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2023 21:37
To: Art Boyars
Cc: CQ-Contest Reflector
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Dead horse #99
Art, there is a new ARRL rule that if you book a ticket and fly to
Nebraska, it can count the same as working Nebraska. Plus you get to
go touring.
Barry WA2VIU
--
Barry Jacobson
WA2VIU
bdj@alum.mit.edu
@bdj_phd
On Mon, Dec 11, 2023 at 9:06 PM Art Boyars <artboyars@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Thanks for the re-clarification, John.
>
> The case I'm describing is covered, if at all, only under "other methods".
> If, after the contest, I notice that I typed "KV01" am I prohibited from
> correcting it to "KV0I", using only the database in my head? (There is no
> such call as KV01. I know I worked KV0I -- I remember being happy that I
> had the Nebraska multiplier in the log. I can even find the QSO in my log,
> with the NE Section.)
>
> "It's extremely rare that fixing a couple typo errors is going to make a
> meaningful difference in your result or final standing."
>
> That depends on how much I needed that Nebraska mult :>)
>
>
> "Oddly, it seems easier to me to fix the problem while operating vs. taking
> the time to create a note. Maybe I'm missing something with that
> assumption?"
>
> You are missing two things: 1) You type a lot better than I do; 2) Some of
> us are slow/clumsy enough typists that it's faster to grab our every-handy
> pencil and jot a note on a piece of paper. (And I'd allow mental notes, if
> you are honest about it.) Again :>)
>
> 73, Art K3KU
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 11, 2023 at 3:16 PM John Dorr <cqk1ar@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi Art,
> >
> > Thanks for raising this issue. The CQ WW rules are pretty clear about this
> > topic:
> >
> > * Correction of logged call signs and exchanges after the contest, by use
> > of any database, recordings, email or other methods, is not allowed.*
> >
> > While I personally don't make changes from notes created DURING the
> > contest, I don't believe the rule suggests that specific practice as being
> > illegal. In sharp contrast, log cleansing against databases or recordings
> > after the contest is very unsportsmanlike and clearly against the rules.
> > Oddly, it seems easier to me to fix the problem while operating vs. taking
> > the time to create a note. Maybe I'm missing something with that assumption?
> >
> > In the end, however, my advice is to simply submit your log right after
> > the contest. It takes about 30 seconds for most people. It's extremely rare
> > that fixing a couple typo errors is going to make a meaningful difference
> > in your result or final standing. Questions about why you're taking "all
> > week" to submit is another matter and a contributor to one's negative
> > reputation. The choice is obvious in my mind.
> >
> > 73, John, K1AR
> >
> > On Mon, Dec 11, 2023 at 2:40 PM Art Boyars <artboyars@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> I saw somewhere a discussion about how to rescore a log when fixing a typo
> >> error that was noticed AFTER the contest.
> >>
> >> I have always felt that errors you noted DURING the contest (computer
> >> notes
> >> in the log, or paper notes on the side, or, to be most lenient, even
> >> mental
> >> notes) may be fixed after the contest; the notes are part of your record.
> >> Otherwise, a typing error is no different from any other copying error.
> >> We
> >> are supposed to transcribe the incoming data (the audio, in my case -- CW
> >> and SSB only) into the accepted form of READABLE information. If the
> >> other
> >> op sent a "2", and my log has a "3", it does not matter whether I heard it
> >> wrong or I typed it wrong -- it's incorrect.
> >>
> >> When I finish a contest, I generate the Cabrillo log and send it in.
> >> Later, I look at the LCR/UBN to see what mistakes I made. (I'm still
> >> trying to figure out how I lost one SS Nebraska QSO by logging KV01
> >> instead
> >> of KV0I)
> >>
> >> (A free story: In one SS CW several years ago, I lost a QSO -- and maybe
> >> a
> >> mult -- because I logged NR 61 instead of 149 (or something like that).
> >> Weird. I remembered asking him several times for a repeat: "NR? NR?"
> >> About three years later, looking at some other SS data, I saw that the
> >> guy's CHECK was 61. He kept sending me his CK instead of his NR, and I
> >> logged what he sent.)
> >>
> >> So, is there a real consensus, or real advice from a Sponsor, or a real
> >> rule that says it's OK to correct "obvious" typographical errors AFTER the
> >> contest?
> >>
> >> 73, Art K3KU
> >> (Who always has to review his typing for errors before clicking SEND)
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