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Re: [CQ-Contest] Single band rule WPX RTTY

To: Jeff Stai <wk6i.jeff@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Single band rule WPX RTTY
From: Dave Edmonds <dave@pkministrywebs.com>
Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2022 17:17:20 -0500
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To anyone working a SINGLE BAND operation, please carefully read the rules
about overays.

The recent rule change states that singe band ops and all band ops will be
combine in the Overlay categories. So if you are working a Single Band,
don’t expect a Single Band Overlay ranking. Also, QRP Is combined with Low
Power for the Overlays.

I missed the rule change in the 2021 WPX CW. If i would have read all the
rules before the contest, i would have never decided to operate 40m single
band.

Please read the rules!

73s Dave WN4AFP

On Thu, Feb 10, 2022 at 3:20 PM Jeff Stai <wk6i.jeff@gmail.com> wrote:

> Randy - the rule is nowhere to be found here:
>
> https://www.cqwpxrtty.com/rules.htm
>
> or anywhere else on this website. I'm supposed to know to look at another
> contest website and apply the same FAQ here?
>
> Of course going from QRP to high power doesn't invalidate QSOs - that's the
> point!
>
> In the absence of a rule against asking stations to QSY, changing your mind
> and entering single band after starting all-band also wouldn't invalidate
> QSOs. (Assuming an all-band station would ask for QSYs, because why
> wouldn't they?)
>
> 73 jeff wk6i
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 10, 2022 at 12:02 PM Randy Thompson <k5zd@outlook.com> wrote:
>
> > The rule does cover this.  The FAQ is to help people understand how that
> > rule is interpreted.  Otherwise the rules would be tens or hundreds of
> > pages.
> >
> >
> >
> > As for your category change example…  going from QRP to High power
> doesn’t
> > invalidate any of the QSOs that were made.  Same is true for someone who
> > decides to turn on the cluster later in the contest.  As long as they
> enter
> > assisted, then all QSOs made are within the category rules and therefore
> > don’t violate any rules.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > *From:* Jeff Stai <wk6i.jeff@gmail.com>
> > *Sent:* Thursday, February 10, 2022 2:19 PM
> > *To:* Randy Thompson <k5zd@outlook.com>
> > *Cc:* wa1fcn <wa1fcn@charter.net>; cq-contest <cq-contest@contesting.com
> >
> > *Subject:* Re: [CQ-Contest] Single band rule WPX RTTY
> >
> >
> >
> > If something is not allowed the rules really should state it. I shouldn't
> > have to QSY to another set of rules to find this out.
> >
> >
> >
> > Also: who here hasn't changed their intended category in the middle of a
> > contest? Like deciding QRP wasn't working and turning up the power for
> the
> > rest of the contest? (I realize going the other way doesn't work.)
> >
> >
> >
> > Seems like this "rule" is anti-activity and arbitrary.
> >
> >
> >
> > 73 jeff wk6i
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Feb 10, 2022 at 11:06 AM Randy Thompson <k5zd@outlook.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > This  is covered in the CQ WW rules FAQ.
> >
> > https://www.cqww.com/rules_faq.htm
> > <
> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cqww.com%2Frules_faq.htm&data=04%7C01%7C%7Cd069b767f9fa4357720a08d9ecca2c90%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637801175343463807%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=p9REas%2F7N12K2Izw8VHv6EyMt36VlC2gbVJS51Egczo%3D&reserved=0
> >
> >
> > Q: For a single-band entry, is it allowed to be looking for multipliers
> on
> > other bands to request a QSY, sked or even just asking if a multiplier is
> > operating that band?
> >
> > No, it is not. The rules state: "All entrants must operate within the
> > limits of their chosen category when performing any activity that could
> > affect their submitted score." Entering single band means that all
> activity
> > to improve your score must be only on that band. You are permitted to
> work
> > stations on other bands, but you are not allowed to ask them to QSY or
> make
> > schedules.
> >
> > Same in the CQ WPX rules FAQ.  The RTTY contests don't have an FAQ, but I
> > think you can assume it would be similar.
> >
> > You are certainly welcome to make QSOs on other bands while entering
> > single band.  You just shouldn't ask for people to move to your band.
> The
> > guiding rule is this:
> >
> > X. GENERAL RULES FOR ALL ENTRANTS:
> > A. Entrants must operate within the limits of their chosen category when
> > performing any activity that could affect their submitted score.
> >
> > 73
> >
> > Randy K5ZD
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: CQ-Contest <cq-contest-bounces+k5zd=outlook.com@contesting.com> On
> > Behalf Of wa1fcn
> > Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2022 9:18 AM
> > To: cq-contest <cq-contest@contesting.com>
> > Subject: [CQ-Contest] Single band rule WPX RTTY
> >
> >
> > GM All
> >
> >          It has been a few years since I last read the rules so I decided
> > to look them over.
> >
> >          Actually I read them a few times.  My memory is not what it once
> > was so maybe
> >
> >          I remember wrong.  I could find no rule in regards to a Single
> > Band operator
> >
> >          who is competing on say 40 meters yet goes to 20 meters and ask
> > if an operator
> >
> >          there could QSY to 40.  I thought some years back that was
> > against the rules.
> >
> >          Remember I am talking about Single Band operation, not all band
> > operations.
> >
> >          Are we allowed to ask a 20 meter guy to QSY to 40 meters?  Yes I
> > know it takes
> >
> >          time and how often would you want to do it but that is not my
> > question.
> >
> >                  BoB WA1FCN
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> >
> > RTTY op at W7RN
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