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Re: [CQ-Contest] UPDATE: CQ WW DX SSB Midwest vs East Coast

To: Ray Mikula <rmikula@sbcglobal.net>, "cq-contest@contesting.com" <cq-contest@contesting.com>
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] UPDATE: CQ WW DX SSB Midwest vs East Coast
From: af5cc2 <af5cc2@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2021 12:21:00 -0600
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Better check his zone total on 15 and 20.  There are only 40 total to work73 
John AF5CC Sent via the Samsung Galaxy A10e, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone
-------- Original message --------From: Ray Mikula <rmikula@sbcglobal.net> 
Date: 11/11/21  11:56 AM  (GMT-06:00) To: cq-contest@contesting.com Subject: 
Re: [CQ-Contest] UPDATE: CQ WW DX SSB Midwest vs East Coast I’m the original 
poster of this question and since there has been so much response I thought I 
would post more details and what I’ve learned so far.To summarize my prior 
posting.  I live in the Chicago area and my fellow ham friend lives in the 
Richmond VA area.  We both worked CQ WW DX SSB contest.  Our skill levels are 
similar, we both ran about 1KW, we both exclusively did S&P, both spent a 
similar amount of time on the air (maybe 15 hours).  We both have tri band 
beams on the top of our house although his maybe 10 feet further up.We ended up 
with almost identical scores around 230,000 however, I has more contacts and he 
did hugely better with the multipliers.  I was surprised because I was focused 
very heavily on multipliers.I used N1MM and VE7CC as my cluster.  Friday night 
I worked 40m.  Saturday mid morning I started on 15m, switched to 10m the 20m 
and then bounced between the 3 bands.  I was very reliant on spots which 
probably accounted for 90% of my qsos.  I had, what for me was a very good 
rate.  My technique was to sort multipliers by beam heading.  Pick mults off 
and then rotate the beam a bit.I spoke with my friend and he was heavily 
focused on working his way up and down the band.  I would guess that 80% of his 
contacts were based from going up and down the band and maybe 15% were based on 
spots.  He did not keep track of multipliers other than 2 or 3 that were 
considered difficult.The end result is as follows;  For me in Chicago area:40m  
 66 qso  17 zones 37 cty20m  103 qso  24 zones 50 cty15m 133  qso  22 zones  61 
cty10m   49  qso   11 zones 21 ctyFor friend in Richmond VA;40m  32 qso  31 
zones  32 cty20m  29 qso  27 zones  29 cty15m  73 qso  73 zones  73 cty10m  63 
qso  61 zones  63 ctyWhat jumps out for me is the difference in number of more 
zones worked from Richmond VA especially on 10m and 15m.  3X more on 15 meters 
and 5X more on 10 meters.  And I (Chicago) was focused on multipliers.The 
difference on 40m is partially due to antenna as I run an OCF dipole and he has 
a rotating dipole.So, what I’ve been trying to sort out is why the big 
difference in multipliers.  What part is due to propagation, what part might be 
due to various multipliers not getting spotted and what is due to my strategy 
of focusing on spots.Thanks to all that have replied either directly or via the 
forum.  Lots of good insights!Thanks and good contesting!73,RayW9NZSent from 
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1. Re: Workiing Split in Contests (Richard F DiDonna NN3W)   2. "Is there a way 
a station could enter a "Block All Spots of      Me" to the skimmer network?" 
(ko7ss@yahoo.com)   3. RE?:  {CQ-Contest] CQ WW DX SSB Midwest vs East Coast    
  (outlook_5B91DD2A0B96EAEA@outlook.com)   4. Re: {CQ-Contest] CQ WW DX SSB 
Midwest vs East Coast      (dimitri cosson)   5. Re: Workiing Split in Contests 
(Jim Brown)   6. Re: {CQ-Contest] CQ WW DX SSB Midwest vs East Coast (Steve 
London)   7. Re: {CQ-Contest] CQ WW DX SSB Midwest vs East Coast      (dimitri 
cosson)   8. NS RTTY this Thursday, 11 Nov in NA  DON'T FORGET THE TIME      
CHANGE! (Ken K6MR)   9. Re: {CQ-Contest] CQ WW DX SSB Midwest vs East Coast 
(Weisz L?szl?)  10. Interest in CQWW - analysis (Mark - N5OT)  11. Re: "Is 
there a way a station could enter a "Block All Spots      of Me" to the skimmer 
network?" 
(ktfrog007@aol.com)----------------------------------------------------------------------Message:
 1Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2021 08:31:19 -0500From: Richard F DiDonna NN3W 
<richnn3w@gmail.com>To: jpescatore@aol.comCc: "cq-contest@contesting.com" 
<cq-contest@contesting.com>Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Workiing Split in 
ContestsMessage-ID:      
<CACeNTbJh654CTJoS9dB1S0p7ghsGgkYocsRdGOB+Kkbng0iaqA@mail.gmail.com>Content-Type:
 text/plain; charset="UTF-8"Split is still done on 40 meters and 80 meters 
owing to the mismatch infrequency allocations between R2 and R1/R3.  Split was 
done a -little- atthe bottom of cycles 23 and 24 on 20 meters but that was met 
with somepretty strong objections by those claiming that it took up two 
frequencies(especially in CQWW).73 Rich NN3WOn Tue, Nov 9, 2021 at 7:27 AM K3TN 
via CQ-Contest <cq-contest@contesting.com> wrote:> I don't think working split 
will work well in any major contest.> Almost inevitably, someone will start 
CQing on the listening frequency (or> someone already was listening on that 
chosen listening frequency.)  He will> hear the other stations calling, think 
they are calling him, call them and> act as QRM on your listening freq. If he 
is loud enough, he will get> spotted, start working stations that come to the 
freq and you will start> hearing stations calling him, but think they are 
calling you!> This is what pretty much seems to happen just about any time a 
DXpedition> goes split during a major contest where the bands are crowded. 
Might work> in QSO parties for mobiles - when mobiles hit new counties, the 
pileups are> short but awesome!> VY0ERC did a great job of working the pileup 
at his speed and most of the> NT stations over the years have evolved 
strategies for just QSYing when the> pileup gets out of control.> The worst 
part of those pileups are the stations calling who couldn't hear> the target on 
a clear frequency. Is there a way a station could enter a> "Block All Spots of 
Me" to the skimmer network?> 73 John K3TN>>> 
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 2Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2021 14:19:26 +0000 (UTC)From: "ko7ss@yahoo.com" 
<ko7ss@yahoo.com>To: Reflector Cq-contest <cq-contest@contesting.com>Subject: 
[CQ-Contest] "Is there a way a station could enter a "Block   All Spots of Me" 
to the skimmer network?"Message-ID: 
<1876596976.1254974.1636467566786@mail.yahoo.com>Content-Type: text/plain; 
charset=UTF-8This option doesn't exist for the RBN as a whole, but at the 
individual skimmer level itis easy. One of the user defined parameters is 
"Blocked Calls" to prevent a skimmerfrom self spotting the owner in a 
contest.One older boy and his radio sent me an E-mail a few years ago asking to 
not bespotted on my skimmers and I set it up for him.Anyone else? I can send 
the list to the RBN ops group if desired....73, Bill 
KO7SS------------------------------Message: 3Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2021 18:17:14 
+0100From: "outlook_5B91DD2A0B96EAEA@outlook.com"       
<dimitri.cosson@gmail.com>To: AB1J via CQ-Contest 
<cq-contest@contesting.com>Cc: Barry W2UP <w2up.co@gmail.com>Subject: 
[CQ-Contest] RE?:  {CQ-Contest] CQ WW DX SSB Midwest vs East    
CoastMessage-ID: <AAF5D027-6508-4DFD-8A6D-B90632F9C6A6@hxcore.ol>Content-Type: 
text/plain; charset="utf-8"------------------------------Message: 4Date: Tue, 
09 Nov 2021 19:41:17 +0100From: dimitri cosson <dimitri.cosson@gmail.com>To: 
Barry W2UP <w2up.co@gmail.com>Cc: john@kk9a.com,AB1J via CQ-Contest 
<cq-contest@contesting.com>Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] {CQ-Contest] CQ WW DX SSB 
Midwest vs East    CoastMessage-ID: 
<847bdcba-577f-489d-bf6e-2b033cf270ed@gmail.com>Content-Type: text/plain; 
charset=UTF-8Hi Barry,Barry, W2UP wrote :<<<You guys are missing the most 
important point: the duration of the openingto Europe.? That's where QSO points 
come from, because there's virtually anendless supply of Europeans to 
work.Start with the high bands.? Sunset in Europe is a constant for US 
ops.[...]Let's assume the band opens at sunrise and a decent station is making 
3QSOs/minute with EU.? Jonesport has already made 60 QSOs as the band isjust 
opening in Phila.? And so on.? And of course, the opening is alsostronger and 
deeper for the shorter paths.? The EU high band opening closesat the same time 
for everyone, as darkness crosses the EU continent.>>>You're missing something 
Barry : the propagation in the real world...Here is a RTTY test, using 100W, 3 
L, on 15m. Look the RBN reports and form where it comes from :OE9GHV OH8FKK?? 
7043.0? RTTY CQ 19 dB? 45 bps 1706z? 09 NovWZ7I??????? TM3Z????? 21086.5? RTTY 
CQ?? 10 dB? 45 bps 1659z? 09 NovWE9V????? TM3Z????? 21086.4? RTTY CQ? 20 dB? 45 
bps 1658z? 09 NovKO7SS??? TM3Z????? 21086.5. RTTY CQ ? 25 dB? 45 bps 1658z? 09 
NovW6YX.?? TM3Z????? 21086.5? RTTY CQ? 20 dB 45 bps 1658z? 09 NovK1TTT.?? 
TM3Z????? 14099.1? RTTY CQ? 22 dB 45 bps 1657z? 09 Nov17.00z, it's now dark in 
central France, and not a single dB heard by K1TTT in MA on 15m, just a little 
10db from PA and... west coast.Remember you, humans think that it's always 
greener in the neighbor's meadow73 de Dimitri F4DSK / TM3ZLe 9 nov. 2021 ? 
04:13, ? 04:13, Barry W2UP <w2up.co@gmail.com> a ?crit:>You guys are missing 
the most important point: the duration of the>opening>to Europe.  That's where 
QSO points come from, because there's>virtually an>endless supply of Europeans 
to work.>Start with the high bands.  Sunset in Europe is a constant for US 
ops.>However sunRISE is the key.  Here are some examples of sunrise 
times>for>Nov 25:>Jonesport, ME 1140Z>Philadelphia, PA 1157Z>Pittsburgh, PA 
1218Z (near LR)>Chicago, IL 1252Z>>Let's assume the band opens at sunrise and a 
decent station is making 3>QSOs/minute with EU.  Jonesport has already made 60 
QSOs as the band is>just opening in Phila.  And so on.  And of course, the 
opening is also>stronger and deeper for the shorter paths.  The EU high band 
opening>closes>at the same time for everyone, as darkness crosses the EU 
continent.>>Then there are the low bands.  Sunset is earlier in Jonesport, 
so>40/80/160m opening is longer because everyone loses EU at the same 
time>as>the sun rises across EU.>>Barry W2UP>>>>On Mon, Nov 8, 2021 at 6:25 PM 
<john@kk9a.com> wrote:>>> I have operated many DX contests from Illinois and I 
there is a huge>> difference between east coast and midwest propagation. Beside 
the>mileage>> difference east coast stations have their first skip over 
the>Atlantic>> ocean>> which I believe offers some enhancement. We referred to 
the Midwest>as the>> black hole for a reason. W9JA moved from Wisconsin to 
Virginia and>then>> incredibly Paul started winning contests. You're lucky to 
be in New>> Brunswick, it may be the ideal location for the ARRL DX 
contest.>>>> John KK9A>>>>>> Mike Smith VE9AA wrote:>>>> He's only 618 miles SE 
of you and as the crow flies to EU (great>circle>> path)>> he might only have 
you by 100-200 miles (roughly)>> to the Center of EU (and there's more to CQWW 
than just EU) so it's>> probably>> just that he's the better/quicker op.  
Nothing more.>>>> I don't think there is very much of any of this "East 
Coast/Midwest">stuff>> going on here at all.>>>>>> 
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 5Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2021 11:40:10 -0800From: Jim Brown 
<k9yc@audiosystemsgroup.com>To: cq-contest@contesting.comSubject: Re: 
[CQ-Contest] Workiing Split in ContestsMessage-ID:   
<37d802bd-efa5-1c69-5f73-4d276dea9c4c@audiosystemsgroup.com>Content-Type: 
text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowedOn 11/9/2021 5:31 AM, Richard F DiDonna 
NN3W wrote:> Split is still done on 40 meters and 80 meters owing to the 
mismatch in> frequency allocations between R2 and R1/R3.Yes, very good 
operating practice. What I object to is split on CW, where there are no such 
allocation issues.73, Jim K9YC------------------------------Message: 6Date: 
Tue, 9 Nov 2021 12:41:51 -0700From: Steve London <n2icarrl@gmail.com>To: 
dimitri cosson <dimitri.cosson@gmail.com>Cc: Barry W2UP <w2up.co@gmail.com>, 
john@kk9a.com,         AB1J via        CQ-Contest 
<cq-contest@contesting.com>Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] {CQ-Contest] CQ WW DX SSB 
Midwest vs East       CoastMessage-ID:        
<CAB7zQ=3M9Gv6N361UpgGvKGoXNL3G6NpAqhX=Ue2SAT4T3c6yg@mail.gmail.com>Content-Type:
 text/plain; charset="UTF-8"1) How do you know that K1TTT was on 15 meters at 
that time ?2) Now run the same experiment at 1200Z in any DX contest.Dim, you 
are welcome to guest operate from my QTH in New Mexico in any DXcontest. I have 
an excellent, hilltop QTH with monoband yagis on 10-40, arotatable dipole at 
110' on 80 (with an effective height of 300' towardsEurope), and an elevated 
vertical on 160. I think you would find theexperience to be humbling.73,Steve, 
N2IC> You're missing something Barry : the propagation in the real world...> 
Here is a RTTY test, using 100W, 3 L, on 15m. Look the RBN reports and> form 
where it comes from :>> OE9GHV OH8FKK   7043.0  RTTY CQ 19 dB  45 bps 1706z  09 
Nov> WZ7I        TM3Z      21086.5  RTTY CQ   10 dB  45 bps 1659z  09 Nov> WE9V 
     TM3Z      21086.4  RTTY CQ  20 dB  45 bps 1658z  09 Nov> KO7SS    TM3Z     
 21086.5. RTTY CQ   25 dB  45 bps 1658z  09 Nov> W6YX.   TM3Z      21086.5  
RTTY CQ  20 dB 45 bps 1658z  09 Nov> K1TTT.   TM3Z      14099.1  RTTY CQ  22 dB 
45 bps 1657z  09 Nov>> 17.00z, it's now dark in central France, and not a 
single dB heard by> K1TTT in MA on 15m, just a little 10db from PA and... west 
coast.> Remember you, humans think that it's always greener in the neighbor's> 
meadow>> 73 de Dimitri F4DSK / TM3Z>>>>> Le 9 nov. 2021 ? 04:13, ? 04:13, Barry 
W2UP <w2up.co@gmail.com> a ?crit:> >You guys are missing the most important 
point: the duration of the> >opening> >to Europe.  That's where QSO points come 
from, because there's> >virtually an> >endless supply of Europeans to work.> 
>Start with the high bands.  Sunset in Europe is a constant for US ops.> 
>However sunRISE is the key.  Here are some examples of sunrise times> >for> 
>Nov 25:> >Jonesport, ME 1140Z> >Philadelphia, PA 1157Z> >Pittsburgh, PA 1218Z 
(near LR)> >Chicago, IL 1252Z> >> >Let's assume the band opens at sunrise and a 
decent station is making 3> >QSOs/minute with EU.  Jonesport has already made 
60 QSOs as the band is> >just opening in Phila.  And so on.  And of course, the 
opening is also> >stronger and deeper for the shorter paths.  The EU high band 
opening> >closes> >at the same time for everyone, as darkness crosses the EU 
continent.> >> >Then there are the low bands.  Sunset is earlier in Jonesport, 
so> >40/80/160m opening is longer because everyone loses EU at the same time> 
>as> >the sun rises across EU.> >> >Barry W2UP> >> >> >> >On Mon, Nov 8, 2021 
at 6:25 PM <john@kk9a.com> wrote:> >> >> I have operated many DX contests from 
Illinois and I there is a huge> >> difference between east coast and midwest 
propagation. Beside the> >mileage> >> difference east coast stations have their 
first skip over the> >Atlantic> >> ocean> >> which I believe offers some 
enhancement. We referred to the Midwest> >as the> >> black hole for a reason. 
W9JA moved from Wisconsin to Virginia and> >then> >> incredibly Paul started 
winning contests. You're lucky to be in New> >> Brunswick, it may be the ideal 
location for the ARRL DX contest.> >>> >> John KK9A> >>> >>> >> Mike Smith 
VE9AA wrote:> >>> >> He's only 618 miles SE of you and as the crow flies to EU 
(great> >circle> >> path)> >> he might only have you by 100-200 miles 
(roughly)> >> to the Center of EU (and there's more to CQWW than just EU) so 
it's> >> probably> >> just that he's the better/quicker op.  Nothing more.> >>> 
>> I don't think there is very much of any of this "East Coast/Midwest"> 
>stuff> >> going on here at all.> >>> >>> >> 
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 7Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2021 21:18:43 +0100From: dimitri cosson 
<dimitri.cosson@gmail.com>To: Steve London <n2icarrl@gmail.com>Cc: Barry W2UP 
<w2up.co@gmail.com>,john@kk9a.com,   AB1J via CQ-Contest     
<cq-contest@contesting.com>Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] {CQ-Contest] CQ WW DX SSB 
Midwest vs East  CoastMessage-ID: 
<b0acff6b-7878-486d-8b4e-19d4ef06cb08@gmail.com>Content-Type: text/plain; 
charset=UTF-8Steve,<<<1) How do you know that K1TTT was on 15 meters at that 
time ?2) Now run the same experiment at 1200Z in any DX contest.>>>1) Because 
the K1TTT's skimmer was listening 40 to 12m. Have a look on? reversebeacon.net 
and read the list of skimmers online (and on what bands)...2) Read again the 
full Barry's e.mail73 de Dimitri F4DSKLe 9 nov. 2021 ? 20:42, ? 20:42, Steve 
London <n2icarrl@gmail.com> a ?crit:>1) How do you know that K1TTT was on 15 
meters at that time ?>2) Now run the same experiment at 1200Z in any DX 
contest.>>Dim, you are welcome to guest operate from my QTH in New Mexico in 
any>DX>contest. I have an excellent, hilltop QTH with monoband yagis on 
10-40,>a>rotatable dipole at 110' on 80 (with an effective height of 
300'>towards>Europe), and an elevated vertical on 160. I think you would find 
the>experience to be humbling.>>73,>Steve, N2IC>>>> You're missing something 
Barry : the propagation in the real world...>> Here is a RTTY test, using 100W, 
3 L, on 15m. Look the RBN reports>and>> form where it comes from :>>>> OE9GHV 
OH8FKK   7043.0  RTTY CQ 19 dB  45 bps 1706z  09 Nov>> WZ7I        TM3Z      
21086.5  RTTY CQ   10 dB  45 bps 1659z  09 Nov>> WE9V      TM3Z      21086.4  
RTTY CQ  20 dB  45 bps 1658z  09 Nov>> KO7SS    TM3Z      21086.5. RTTY CQ   25 
dB  45 bps 1658z  09 Nov>> W6YX.   TM3Z      21086.5  RTTY CQ  20 dB 45 bps 
1658z  09 Nov>> K1TTT.   TM3Z      14099.1  RTTY CQ  22 dB 45 bps 1657z  09 
Nov>>>> 17.00z, it's now dark in central France, and not a single dB heard by>> 
K1TTT in MA on 15m, just a little 10db from PA and... west coast.>> Remember 
you, humans think that it's always greener in the neighbor's>> meadow>>>> 73 de 
Dimitri F4DSK / TM3Z>>>>>>>>>> Le 9 nov. 2021 ? 04:13, ? 04:13, Barry W2UP 
<w2up.co@gmail.com> a>?crit:>> >You guys are missing the most important point: 
the duration of the>> >opening>> >to Europe.  That's where QSO points come 
from, because there's>> >virtually an>> >endless supply of Europeans to work.>> 
>Start with the high bands.  Sunset in Europe is a constant for US>ops.>> 
>However sunRISE is the key.  Here are some examples of sunrise times>> >for>> 
>Nov 25:>> >Jonesport, ME 1140Z>> >Philadelphia, PA 1157Z>> >Pittsburgh, PA 
1218Z (near LR)>> >Chicago, IL 1252Z>> >>> >Let's assume the band opens at 
sunrise and a decent station is>making 3>> >QSOs/minute with EU.  Jonesport has 
already made 60 QSOs as the band>is>> >just opening in Phila.  And so on.  And 
of course, the opening is>also>> >stronger and deeper for the shorter paths.  
The EU high band opening>> >closes>> >at the same time for everyone, as 
darkness crosses the EU continent.>> >>> >Then there are the low bands.  Sunset 
is earlier in Jonesport, so>> >40/80/160m opening is longer because everyone 
loses EU at the same>time>> >as>> >the sun rises across EU.>> >>> >Barry W2UP>> 
>>> >>> >>> >On Mon, Nov 8, 2021 at 6:25 PM <john@kk9a.com> wrote:>> >>> >> I 
have operated many DX contests from Illinois and I there is a>huge>> >> 
difference between east coast and midwest propagation. Beside the>> >mileage>> 
>> difference east coast stations have their first skip over the>> >Atlantic>> 
>> ocean>> >> which I believe offers some enhancement. We referred to 
the>Midwest>> >as the>> >> black hole for a reason. W9JA moved from Wisconsin 
to Virginia and>> >then>> >> incredibly Paul started winning contests. You're 
lucky to be in>New>> >> Brunswick, it may be the ideal location for the ARRL DX 
contest.>> >>>> >> John KK9A>> >>>> >>>> >> Mike Smith VE9AA wrote:>> >>>> >> 
He's only 618 miles SE of you and as the crow flies to EU (great>> >circle>> >> 
path)>> >> he might only have you by 100-200 miles (roughly)>> >> to the Center 
of EU (and there's more to CQWW than just EU) so>it's>> >> probably>> >> just 
that he's the better/quicker op.  Nothing more.>> >>>> >> I don't think there 
is very much of any of this "East>Coast/Midwest">> >stuff>> >> going on here at 
all.>> >>>> >>>> >> _______________________________________________>> >> 
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 8Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2021 07:24:47 +0000From: Ken K6MR <k6mr@outlook.com>To: 
"rttydigital@groups.io" <rttydigital@groups.io>,     "nccc-blue@groups.io"   
<nccc-blue@groups.io>, cq-contest       <cq-contest@contesting.com>,    
"RTTY@groups.io" <RTTY@groups.io>Subject: [CQ-Contest] NS RTTY this Thursday, 
11 Nov in NA  DON'T       FORGET THE TIME CHANGE!Message-ID:      
<SJ0PR07MB8584FCFD13A606B65CE800BC9E939@SJ0PR07MB8584.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>
        Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252"Greetings Diddlers,Back 
into double digit turnout last week.  Welcome to first timer K0VW (neat call!), 
as well as AK2S and W4BBT who were back for more sprint fun.And yes, it?s that 
time again for most of us to adjust ourselves to that silly biannual government 
imposed ritual of messing with time.  So even though the UTC times have not 
changed, those of you (and me) who are subjected to this craziness must adjust 
our day.  Put a yellow sticky on the monitor, set an alarm, whatever you need 
to do to remember to show up an hour earlier local time.  Except of course you 
lucky folks who are in states that have sane management.  Anyway, don?t forget. 
 If no one is around when you start CQing, you are too late!The upcoming 
weekend has a biggie of the RTTY world:  WAE DX RTTY!  This one gives everyone 
a chance to play and makes QTCs a bit more fun. So warm up the diddle machine 
and join us Thursday evening to make sure everything is up to snuff for the 
weekend.The details of our little get together:Friday,  12 Nov 2021, 0145Z - 
0215Z (Thursday, 11 Nov 2021 in NA)-- 1745 - 1815 PST-- 2045 - 2115 EST-- 
(others in-between those two)-- 160: Around 1805  (Last two to five minutes 
seem to be popular?)-- 80/40/20/15 +84 kHz up from the band edge   <--NOTE-- 
Same band dupes ok after 1 intervening Q.-- 1 kHz QSY rule, otherwise standard 
Sprint rules-- Mults per band.-- 100W power limitPlease visit 
http://www.ncccsprint.com/rttyns.html for complete rules and links to other 
info. If you find any problems with the web pages, please let me know so we can 
get them fixed.If you would like to receive all the latest info about NS as 
well as a have a place for comments and questions, sign up for the NS mailing 
list:  https://groups.io/g/nccc-blueContestonlinescore.com has a slot set up 
for us if you?d like to make sure your logger is talking to the world.  Select 
NCCC NA RTTY Sprint.Report scores to 3830scores.com, and join us at 0300Z on 
3610 kHz (+/- a few for ongoing groups) for comments and questions (and dinner 
menus).Don?t forget to check out RTTYops Weekday and Weekend Sprints.  
Tuesday/Thursday/Sunday (in NA) for you hopelessly addicted Sprinters.Diddle 
diddle,Ken K6MR------------------------------Message: 9Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2021 
09:01:10 +0100From: Weisz L?szl? <ha3nu@tolna.net>To: 
cq-contest@contesting.comSubject: Re: [CQ-Contest] {CQ-Contest] CQ WW DX SSB 
Midwest vs East        CoastMessage-ID: 
<d240d17e-9a54-f582-d378-49141da84ab3@tolna.net>Content-Type: text/plain; 
charset=UTF-8; format=flowedGM,MW vs East CoastHere in Eu we have the same 
situation: West Coast (EU) vs. Central Eu. I agree with Steve N2IC and Barry 
W2UP: one from Central Eu is not able to reach the same results with a big 
monobander like TM3Z with his? 3el on 21MHz. Eg. in case we have a 6 hours 
opening for US that means only about 30 mins to west coast (but in good 
conditions only) and of course G/EI/F/EA/CT etc. friends have7-8 hours opening 
in the same time with much bigger West Coast opening .? Same situation with 
North vs. South. Dimitri: "the propagation in the real world..." is the 
propagation what you have in France but not in Central/East Eu.We have to live 
together with this fact.73 Lacy HA3NU/HG3ROn 2021. 11. 09. 21:18, dimitri 
cosson wrote:> Steve,>> <<<> 1) How do you know that K1TTT was on 15 meters at 
that time ?> 2) Now run the same experiment at 1200Z in any DX contest.> 1) 
Because the K1TTT's skimmer was listening 40 to 12m. Have a look on? 
reversebeacon.net and read the list of skimmers online (and on what bands)...> 
2) Read again the full Barry's e.mail>> 73 de Dimitri F4DSK>> Le 9 nov. 2021 ? 
20:42, ? 20:42, Steve London <n2icarrl@gmail.com> a ?crit:>> 1) How do you know 
that K1TTT was on 15 meters at that time ?>> 2) Now run the same experiment at 
1200Z in any DX contest.>>>> Dim, you are welcome to guest operate from my QTH 
in New Mexico in any>> DX>> contest. I have an excellent, hilltop QTH with 
monoband yagis on 10-40,>> a>> rotatable dipole at 110' on 80 (with an 
effective height of 300'>> towards>> Europe), and an elevated vertical on 160. 
I think you would find the>> experience to be humbling.>>>> 73,>> Steve, 
N2IC>>>>>>> You're missing something Barry : the propagation in the real 
world...>>> Here is a RTTY test, using 100W, 3 L, on 15m. Look the RBN 
reports>> and>>> form where it comes from :>>>>>> OE9GHV OH8FKK   7043.0  RTTY 
CQ 19 dB  45 bps 1706z  09 Nov>>> WZ7I        TM3Z      21086.5  RTTY CQ   10 
dB  45 bps 1659z  09 Nov>>> WE9V      TM3Z      21086.4  RTTY CQ  20 dB  45 bps 
1658z  09 Nov>>> KO7SS    TM3Z      21086.5. RTTY CQ   25 dB  45 bps 1658z  09 
Nov>>> W6YX.   TM3Z      21086.5  RTTY CQ  20 dB 45 bps 1658z  09 Nov>>> K1TTT. 
  TM3Z      14099.1  RTTY CQ  22 dB 45 bps 1657z  09 Nov>>>>>> 17.00z, it's now 
dark in central France, and not a single dB heard by>>> K1TTT in MA on 15m, 
just a little 10db from PA and... west coast.>>> Remember you, humans think 
that it's always greener in the neighbor's>>> meadow>>>>>> 73 de Dimitri F4DSK 
/ TM3Z>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Le 9 nov. 2021 ? 04:13, ? 04:13, Barry W2UP 
<w2up.co@gmail.com> a>> ?crit:>>>> You guys are missing the most important 
point: the duration of the>>>> opening>>>> to Europe.  That's where QSO points 
come from, because there's>>>> virtually an>>>> endless supply of Europeans to 
work.>>>> Start with the high bands.  Sunset in Europe is a constant for US>> 
ops.>>>> However sunRISE is the key.  Here are some examples of sunrise 
times>>>> for>>>> Nov 25:>>>> Jonesport, ME 1140Z>>>> Philadelphia, PA 
1157Z>>>> Pittsburgh, PA 1218Z (near LR)>>>> Chicago, IL 1252Z>>>>>>>> Let's 
assume the band opens at sunrise and a decent station is>> making 3>>>> 
QSOs/minute with EU.  Jonesport has already made 60 QSOs as the band>> is>>>> 
just opening in Phila.  And so on.  And of course, the opening is>> also>>>> 
stronger and deeper for the shorter paths.  The EU high band opening>>>> 
closes>>>> at the same time for everyone, as darkness crosses the EU 
continent.>>>>>>>> Then there are the low bands.  Sunset is earlier in 
Jonesport, so>>>> 40/80/160m opening is longer because everyone loses EU at the 
same>> time>>>> as>>>> the sun rises across EU.>>>>>>>> Barry W2UP>>>>>>>>-- 
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10Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2021 10:23:20 -0600From: Mark - N5OT <r-emails@n5ot.com>To: 
"cq-contest@contesting.com" <cq-contest@contesting.com>Subject: [CQ-Contest] 
Interest in CQWW - analysisMessage-ID: 
<b4f68d0a-1ad5-79fa-a148-aaddcd7f20cf@n5ot.com>Content-Type: text/plain; 
charset=UTF-8; format=flowedK9YC wrote: > Thanks for your offer, Mark. It could 
be a lot of work. The words I chose are descriptive, not quantitative. They 
will be defined quantitatively by work like you have volunteered to do!Thanks 
Jim for such a gracious response.We can split hair about the word "most" but 
these numbers below show a definition of "most" can mean "less than half" which 
I think was why I asked in the first place (since "most" is commonly thought of 
as "more than half").? As far as measuring degree of turn-on, well, that is 
above my pay-grade.? How does the old quote go, "I know it when I see it."? 
Apparently so does Jim but we both measure it differently.? Someone else can 
tackle that one.? As Ken AB1J posted, a survey could determine attitudes.In the 
interest of crowd-sourcing what could be an interesting discussion amongst the 
enlightened here, I present some basic numbers for last year's CQWW Phone 
contest (all gleaned from Dr. Google and her World Wide Internet).? The data is 
at the end of this email.- - - - - - - - - - - ?Analysis:1.87% of all hams on 
the West Coast got on for the contest.2.92% of all hams on the East Coast got 
on for the contest.- - - - - - - - - - -Definitions:"All hams" means all hams 
who have a General, Advanced or Extra-class license"Got on for the contest" 
means their callsign appeared at least once in a submitted log"West Coast" 
means California, Oregon and Washington"East Coast" means W1, W2 and 
W3"Interest" means percentage of all hams who got on for the contest"Greater 
interest" means the percentage is higherFor the purpose of this email, "hams" 
and "stations" and "callsigns" are all interchangeable.? No allowance was made 
for the number of operators who may have been on the air using a particular 
callsign, nor for their license class.? (e.g. Multiop entries).- - - - - - - - 
- - -Other interesting gleanings:Based on the percentage of hams who got on for 
the contest:Illinois showed greater interest than New YorkArizona showed 
greater interest than GeorgiaThe top five in order (by percentage) were NH, RI, 
DE, NJ followed by MINNESOTAMeasured by actual number of stations on the 
air:California had more hams on for the contest than any other stateFlorida was 
#2Texas was #3- - - - - - - - - - - -Interesting that more people in 5th-ranked 
Minnesota got on for the CQWW than people in Connecticut, whether you measure 
it by percentage OR number of operators.? Conclusion: Hams in Minnesota are 
more easily turned on than hams in Connecticut.Data follows.? If you want to 
sort the columns yourself click this link to download this simple 
spreadsheet:http://www.n5ot.com/CQWW/2020-CQWW-Interest-Analysis-Data.xlsx73 - 
Mark N5OTP.S. My work here is finishedData for 2021 CQWW Phone         STATE   
NUMBER OF STATIONS THAT GOT ON FOR THE CONTEST  NUMBER OF GENERAL, ADVANCED AND 
EXTRA-CLASS LICENSEES   PERCENTAGE OF GENERAL, ADVANCED AND EXTRA-CLASS 
LICENSEES WHO GOT ON FOR THE CONTESTAK  1       1567    0.06%AL         116     
6128    1.89%AR         67      3790    1.77%AZ         238     10100   2.36%CA 
        758     42789   1.77%CO         160     7408    2.16%CT         129     
4313    2.99%DE         31      938     3.30%FL         510     27702   1.84%GA 
        204     8844    2.31%IA         72      3888    1.85%ID         55      
2821    1.95%IL         326     11904   2.74%IN         168     8167    2.06%KS 
        57      3841    1.48%KY         96      4651    2.06%LA         61      
3699    1.65%MA         229     7881    2.91%MD         178     6080    2.93%ME 
        66      2692    2.45%MI         236     11640   2.03%MN         183     
6094    3.00%MO         132     7418    1.78%MS         51      2737    1.86%MT 
        31      1750    1.77%NC         267     11082   2.41%ND         16      
803     1.99%NE         35      2266    1.54%NH         105     2887    3.64%NJ 
        267     8308    3.21%NM         46      2971    1.55%NV         62      
3260    1.90%NY         433     16165   2.68%OH         332     15913   2.09%OK 
        77      4755    1.62%OR         163     7964    2.05%PA         415     
14019   2.96%RI         43      1200    3.58%SC         120     4909    2.44%SD 
        19      1157    1.64%TN         190     8931    2.13%TX         457     
24796   1.84%UT         68      3608    1.88%VA         285     9949    2.86%VT 
        24      1153    2.08%WA         271     13120   2.07%WI         184     
6200    2.97%WV         66      2967    2.22%WY         22      923     
2.38%Grand Total        8122    368148  
2.21%------------------------------Message: 11Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2021 16:32:37 
+0000 (UTC)From: ktfrog007@aol.comTo: "cq-contest@contesting.com" 
<cq-contest@contesting.com>Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] "Is there a way a station 
could enter a    "Block All Spots of Me" to the skimmer network?"Message-ID: 
<425385538.1269565.1636561957810@mail.yahoo.com>Content-Type: text/plain; 
charset=UTF-8If there were an option to block all skimmer and cluster spots, do 
you think any top contest stations would do it in contests?And if so, 
why?73,Ken, AB1J-----Original Message-----From: ko7ss--- via CQ-Contest 
<cq-contest@contesting.com>To: Reflector Cq-contest 
<cq-contest@contesting.com>Sent: Tue, Nov 9, 2021 2:19 pmSubject: [CQ-Contest] 
"Is there a way a station could enter a "Block All Spots of Me" to the skimmer 
network?"This option doesn't exist for the RBN as a whole, but at the 
individual skimmer level itis easy. One of the user defined parameters is 
"Blocked Calls" to prevent a skimmerfrom self spotting the owner in a 
contest.One older boy and his radio sent me an E-mail a few years ago asking to 
not bespotted on my skimmers and I set it up for him.Anyone else? I can send 
the list to the RBN ops group if desired....73, Bill 
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