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Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] {CQ-Contest] CQ WW DX SSB Midwest vs East Coast
From: Weisz László via CQ-Contest <cq-contest@contesting.com>
Reply-to: Weisz László <ha3nu@tolna.net>
Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2021 09:01:10 +0100
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GM,

MW vs East Coast

Here in Eu we have the same situation: West Coast (EU) vs. Central Eu. I agree with Steve N2IC and Barry W2UP: one from Central Eu is not able to reach the same results with a big monobander like TM3Z with his  3el on 21MHz. Eg. in case we have a 6 hours opening for US that means only about 30 mins to west coast (but in good conditions only) and of course G/EI/F/EA/CT etc. friends have7-8 hours opening in the same time with much bigger West Coast opening .  Same situation with North vs. South. Dimitri: "the propagation in the real world..." is the propagation what you have in France but not in Central/East Eu.

We have to live together with this fact.

73 Lacy HA3NU/HG3R


On 2021. 11. 09. 21:18, dimitri cosson wrote:
Steve,

<<<
1) How do you know that K1TTT was on 15 meters at that time ?
2) Now run the same experiment at 1200Z in any DX contest.
1) Because the K1TTT's skimmer was listening 40 to 12m. Have a look on  
reversebeacon.net and read the list of skimmers online (and on what bands)...
2) Read again the full Barry's e.mail

73 de Dimitri F4DSK

Le 9 nov. 2021 à 20:42, à 20:42, Steve London <n2icarrl@gmail.com> a écrit:
1) How do you know that K1TTT was on 15 meters at that time ?
2) Now run the same experiment at 1200Z in any DX contest.

Dim, you are welcome to guest operate from my QTH in New Mexico in any
DX
contest. I have an excellent, hilltop QTH with monoband yagis on 10-40,
a
rotatable dipole at 110' on 80 (with an effective height of 300'
towards
Europe), and an elevated vertical on 160. I think you would find the
experience to be humbling.

73,
Steve, N2IC


You're missing something Barry : the propagation in the real world...
Here is a RTTY test, using 100W, 3 L, on 15m. Look the RBN reports
and
form where it comes from :

OE9GHV OH8FKK   7043.0  RTTY CQ 19 dB  45 bps 1706z  09 Nov
WZ7I        TM3Z      21086.5  RTTY CQ   10 dB  45 bps 1659z  09 Nov
WE9V      TM3Z      21086.4  RTTY CQ  20 dB  45 bps 1658z  09 Nov
KO7SS    TM3Z      21086.5. RTTY CQ   25 dB  45 bps 1658z  09 Nov
W6YX.   TM3Z      21086.5  RTTY CQ  20 dB 45 bps 1658z  09 Nov
K1TTT.   TM3Z      14099.1  RTTY CQ  22 dB 45 bps 1657z  09 Nov

17.00z, it's now dark in central France, and not a single dB heard by
K1TTT in MA on 15m, just a little 10db from PA and... west coast.
Remember you, humans think that it's always greener in the neighbor's
meadow

73 de Dimitri F4DSK / TM3Z




Le 9 nov. 2021 à 04:13, à 04:13, Barry W2UP <w2up.co@gmail.com> a
écrit:
You guys are missing the most important point: the duration of the
opening
to Europe.  That's where QSO points come from, because there's
virtually an
endless supply of Europeans to work.
Start with the high bands.  Sunset in Europe is a constant for US
ops.
However sunRISE is the key.  Here are some examples of sunrise times
for
Nov 25:
Jonesport, ME 1140Z
Philadelphia, PA 1157Z
Pittsburgh, PA 1218Z (near LR)
Chicago, IL 1252Z

Let's assume the band opens at sunrise and a decent station is
making 3
QSOs/minute with EU.  Jonesport has already made 60 QSOs as the band
is
just opening in Phila.  And so on.  And of course, the opening is
also
stronger and deeper for the shorter paths.  The EU high band opening
closes
at the same time for everyone, as darkness crosses the EU continent.

Then there are the low bands.  Sunset is earlier in Jonesport, so
40/80/160m opening is longer because everyone loses EU at the same
time
as
the sun rises across EU.

Barry W2UP



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