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Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] How critical is the 120 degree ...
From: David Gilbert <ab7echo@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2021 11:00:52 -0700
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The first question seem like a rather simple vector analysis task to me.  Generate a simple model for the manufacturer's recommendations for included angles, distance from tower, and guy wire tension ... and then calculate the lateral force on the tower due to each guy wire.  Do the same analysis for the configuration under consideration (with the addition of translating the resulting forces to the desired directions of 120 degrees apart) and compare the resulting lateral forces.  Decide how much deviation from the spec you're willing to live with (5%? ... 10% ... whatever) and see if it satisfies.  Keep in mind that any change in guy wire tension to compensate for deviations from the tower manufacturer's configuration needs to stay within the guy wire ratings.

Seems like a better approach to me than relying on the opinion of anyone, although my opinion says that when you do the calculation you would find that the difference between 1 degree deviation and 2 degrees deviation is round off error.

73,
Dave   AB7E



On 7/27/2021 12:47 AM, Jari Jussila wrote:
Hi ...

I'm sure these topics have been discussed earlier, but could not find any thread ..... Sri ...

We are at our club erecting two towers. A rotating steel tower being 31 m high and a aluminium telescope mast 18+18 m = 32 meters.


A) How critical is the rule that guy wires should be "exactly" 120 degrees apart? A professional guide says, that the anchor point can be 50 mm from that 120 degree (119,9-120,1 degree) but some say, that a maximum of two degrees is OK. That meaning 118-122 degree.

What's the tower community advise?


B) The steel tower height is 31 m - it's a rotating tower - but the upper bearing is at 23 m ( leaving 8 meters for the antennas) and the lower bearing at 11 meters.

Whats the advise of anchor point distance? Some say, that the 60 % (distance for  the tower) should be calculating from the total height (31 x 0,6 = 18,6 meters). Some say, it should be calculating from  the upper bearing (23 m x 0,6 = 12.8 m)

Whats your opinion?

Jari, OH2BU
For OH3AC Club Station


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