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Re: [RFI] Sources of wideband hiss

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Subject: Re: [RFI] Sources of wideband hiss
From: Jim Brown <jim@audiosystemsgroup.com>
Reply-to: jim@audiosystemsgroup.com
Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2023 18:30:40 -0800
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That cavity in front of the first gain stage strongly suggests IMD in the RX system.

I was part of a team that maintained VHF and UHF repeaters in Chicago for our club, where ALL TV and nearly all FM is on one of two buildings that are slightly more than a mile or from other. There was also a huge number of commercial 2-way systems there. It was virtually impossible to receive VHF from anywhere within the Chicago Loop, thanks to massive IMD from all of those transmitters. It sounded like broadband noise.

Nearly all systems were set up for TX on one of the tall buildings, with multiple voted RX sites at least 4 miles away. 220 and 440 were no problem.

73, Jim K9YC

On 12/23/2023 5:08 PM, Gary NA6O via RFI wrote:
At the W6TCP hilltop EME site, this exact problem occurs on 2m and also on 220 
MHz whenever the array is level and pointed towards one of the nearby towns. 
There is NO character or modulation detectible, just a broadband increase in 
the noise floor. It was bad enough on 220 to cause serious problems. The 
solution there actually surprised me. He upgraded the LNA from a P220VDG (from 
DB6NT) with a fairly broad LC bandpass filter to one from WD5AGO with a much 
sharper cavity bandpass. That change alone was worth almost 20 dB in noise 
reduction! All I can figure is that there must be a great many VHF transmitters 
out there and with our high antenna gain, some kind of complex intermod was 
occurring but I really don't know. So I will always cast some suspicion towards 
out-of-band sources, in addition to the usual buzzing switchmode converters.

-Gary NA6O


What are some sources of wideband hiss?  I'm talking about an unstructured,
apparently unmodulated many-dB increase in the noise floor across the 2m
band*  No associated birdies or other noticeable signals, just a nasty
hiss.
I see it in the direction of high-voltage power lines 2km away and also
toward a couple of houses I just a few hundred meters distant.  The
mechanisms of those sources are not necessarily the same of course.  Ideas


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