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Re: [RFI] Fwd: RFI Digest, Vol 241, Issue 20

To: Steve London <n2icarrl@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [RFI] Fwd: RFI Digest, Vol 241, Issue 20
From: Steve Dyer W1SRD via RFI <rfi@contesting.com>
Reply-to: Steve Dyer W1SRD <w1srd@yahoo.com>
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2023 12:05:54 -0800
List-post: <mailto:rfi@contesting.com>
Great article. Thanks for posting.
I need to move further out into the sticks. My problem is noise from my neighbors, not my house...
GL on the new system.
73,
Steve
W1SRD


On 2/14/2023 11:52 AM, Steve London wrote:
I am very concerned about RFI from any new HVAC systems manufactured and installed since new energy savings codes went into effect in mid-2019.

For examples of modern, RF-noisy HVAC systems, and possible mitigations, see https://viennawireless.net/wp/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/HILLSON_RFI_PDF_3SEP2021.pdf .

As you say, yours was installed in 2013.

My current furnace was installed in 2004. Single speed, no ECM. Yes, the fan draws 800 watts when it's running. Nearing end-of-life, so I'm carefully shopping.

73,
Steve, N2IC



On Tue, Feb 14, 2023 at 12:37 PM Steve Dyer W1SRD via RFI <rfi@contesting.com> wrote:

    Steve,
    I guess you don't believe and want some evidence.
    I have the Bryant Evolution Extreme (equivalent system to the Carrier
    Infinity Greenspeed) and it is RF quiet. It was one of the
    conditions of
    purchase I made with the installer. Both the air handler and
    compressor
    are VS.
    This is a 2013 vintage system so I have a few thousand hours in
    front of
    the radio with the system on and off.
    I live in a rural location so it's not masked by local noise. The
    beams
    are within 100'.
    I can stand right next to the outdoor unit with a SW radio and barely
    hear anything.
    I am extremely pleased with the systems lack of RFI, efficiency
    and home
    comfort.
    Variable speed systems can be engineered well for EMC.
    73,
    Steve
    W1SRD

    On 2/14/2023 11:17 AM, Steve London wrote:
    > Better yet, show us spectrum displays of about 100 kHz width, on
    the band
    > with the closest antenna, when the band is dead, with the fan
    running, and
    > with the fan off.
    >
    > 73,
    > Steve, N2IC
    >
    > On Tue, Feb 14, 2023 at 12:05 PM James Jordan <k4qpl2@gmail.com>
    wrote:
    >
    >> I have a Carrier "Infinity" system with fully VS drives on both the
    >> compressor and air handler fan. It's their top of the line most
    efficient
    >> system. Never heard a peep of RFI from it. I'll walk closer to
    the units
    >> with an AM radio to see if I'm missing something and if I hear
    anything
    >> I'll post again.
    >> 73,
    >> Jim K4QPL
    >>
    >> On Tue, Feb 14, 2023 at 12:57 PM Dennis Monticelli <
    >> dennis.monticelli@gmail.com> wrote:
    >>
    >>> The variable speed fan motors are bad news. Fixed speed or
    multiple
    >> fixed
    >>> speed (selected by winding) are fine.  However the fan motor
    isn't the
    >> only
    >>> motor in the system.  Look into the compressor too.  There is
    also a
    >> lesser
    >>> chance that the controller board generates noise you can pick
    up.  If
    >>> accessible during installation, some ferrite sleeves on the
    digital
    >> board's
    >>> wires are a good idea.
    >>>
    >>> Both of my Daikin HVAC units are completely quiet but those
    models were
    >>> chosen with no PWM drive motors and I did put ferrites on the
    controller
    >>> board for extra insurance.
    >>>
    >>> Dennis AE6C
    >>>
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    >>> Hi Guys,
    >>> ?I've seen posts where some Air Conditioners and Furnace units
    with
    >>> variable speed motors create RFI on the Ham Bands.? I'm
    thinking of
    >>> purchasing a new Carrier 3.5 ton Heat Pump, Model 25SCA542,
    with a "fixed
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