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Re: [RFI] . Re: CARRIER ON 40-METERS

To: Alan Higbie <alan.higbie@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [RFI] . Re: CARRIER ON 40-METERS
From: Don Kirk <wd8dsb@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2023 11:11:38 -0500
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Hi Alan,

Great, and I was hoping you would dig out your DF gear.  Make sure you are
out in the open when you do additional readings with the portable flag, and
make sure the peak and the null agree reasonably well.  The peak is much
more robust in regards to not being altered by nearby objects (sometimes
you might notice a minor lobe off the back and that's an indication that
something nearby is coupling to it).  I often just use the peak because my
S meter resolution on my DF gear is so good (1 to 1.5 dB resolution) which
makes using the peak effective, but I also check to see that the null is in
close agreement.

I wonder if you can hear the 7.195 MHz carrier during the middle of the day?

So far your 160 degree reading does not contradict my readings, and it
looks like your 160 degree reading points down in the direction of Pueblo
and then Model Colorado which fall within my reported zone.  What's great
about your reading (if it repeats itself) is that it's not related to the
Alma incident from April of 2022 which I have been having a hard
time getting out of my mind.

Keep us posted, and thanks so much for your report.

P.S. skywave on 40 meters is a very difficult beast to DF (especially
depending on the time of day) as we know all too well from the April 2022
incident.  As an example I once again gave up trying to use my tuned loop
early this morning as a secondary source of data as the skywave was
wrecking havoc with it (and I love my tuned loop for ground wave based
DFing due to its deep null so I'm not a hater of tuned or untuned loops).

73,
Don wd8dsb

On Wed, Feb 1, 2023 at 10:24 AM Alan Higbie <alan.higbie@gmail.com> wrote:

> Yesterday I braved the very cold weather - and used my portable flag
> (WD8DSB_design) antenna to DF.
>
> The best heading to the 7195 source I got was: 160 degrees from True
> North.
>
> My QTH is SW Colorado Springs. Grid: DM78nt
>
> The weather is on a warming trend - so I will test again within a few days
> - to either revise or confirm that heading.
>
> 73,
>
> ~ Alan K0AV
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 1, 2023 at 5:43 AM Don Kirk <wd8dsb@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Peter and gang,
>>
>> I went out to an open field near my home to obtain more readings at 7am
>> this morning (chilly 9 degrees F), and everything is still very consistent
>> with my original readings from in front of my house.  This morning from
>> the
>> open field I obtained headings of 270 and 271 degrees versus my original
>> estimate of 265 and 270 from my house a few days ago.  Therefore I would
>> say 270 degrees (+/- 5 degrees) from my QTH in Fishers Indiana is close,
>> and once again using an Iphone set to true North for my compass and using
>> crude sighting methods.  I obtained the headings this morning using the
>> null as well as the peak on my portable flag (they were both in close
>> agreement with each other).  I'm probably very far from the source so any
>> error in my headings will put me far away from the actual location of the
>> source.
>>
>> We really need more headings with resolution down to 5 degrees (if
>> possible) or less unless you are very close to the source.
>>
>> Just FYI,
>> Don (wd8dsb)
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 31, 2023 at 7:46 PM peter murphy via RFI <rfi@contesting.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > QTH here is northern CA latitude 40N. Using a 2 element yagi at 50 ft I
>> > get a broad peak to the ENE. Steady and strong S9 when I am pointed in
>> that
>> > direction. It has been like this most of the day. Haven't listened at
>> night
>> > as yet.
>> > 73,
>> > Pete W6WY
>> >
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>> > On Tuesday, January 31, 2023, 12:36 PM, Kim Elmore <
>> > cw_de_n5op@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>> >
>> > My directional ability is limited as to a 2 el 40-CD2 at 48 ft. It may
>> > be arriving at a high angle because I don't see s strong F/B and see
>> > very little fading. It's a very steady, solid S7-S8 on an Orion 2,
>> > preamp off. On my K8AY loops, it's marginally stringer when I select
>> > either NW or SW, but the nulls in the K9AY loop patterns are far more
>> > narrow than the peaks (they have a cardioid pattern) and the deepest
>> > *null* is in NE direction, meaning the null is somewhere  to my W or SW.
>> > Regardless, it's certainly there, steady and strong. I'll check again
>> > tonight.
>> >
>> > 73,
>> >
>> > Kim N5OP
>> >
>> >
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