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Re: [RFI] Help Identifying RFI

To: JW <jwin95@yahoo.com>, "rfi@contesting.com" <rfi@contesting.com>
Subject: Re: [RFI] Help Identifying RFI
From: "Dave Cole (NK7Z)" <dave@nk7z.net>
Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2017 08:32:16 -0700
List-post: <mailto:rfi@contesting.com>
Hi,

Setting up a SDR is mindlessly simple, the resultant setup is about the size of a pack of smokes, including display, and battery...

In fact, the display looks almost exactly like the photo you show on your web page of the radio with the plus/minus 100 KHz display.

Remember I framed the comment in the vain of being able to discriminate between sources simply, as one turned the loop. I was not implying that this is the only way to track RFI, so not overkill IMHO, just a different way of discriminating between signals.

Try it sometime if you have not. It really makes the task of finding a bearing on one signal simple, when it is mixed with a large number of others..

73s and thanks,
Dave
NK7Z
http://www.nk7z.net

On 09/25/2017 06:56 AM, JW wrote:
Massive overkill IMO to stress the need for an SDR to accomplish this task.


Find or buy a little battery powered Degen 1103 receiver and equip it with a small tuned loop for the band of interest.


I will try and post a video of this scheme later on. I was DFing noise near the 20m band.


de Jim WB5WPA



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*From:* Dave Cole (NK7Z) <dave@nk7z.net>
*To:* rfi@contesting.com
*Sent:* Monday, September 25, 2017 6:04 AM
*Subject:* Re: [RFI] Help Identifying RFI

If you can get a portable SDR, say an RSP-1 using an Raspberry Pi, then
you can use your loop to track down very selected RFI sources by
watching the spectrogram of that RFI as you turn the loop.

A small subset of signals will fade in and out as you rotate the loop,
this will help you separate out which are the really offending ones...
I use the process described at:

http://nk7z.net/sdr-rfi-survey-p1/

to initially locate what RFI I want to track, then I zoom in time wise,
and use a loop to follow just that source by looking at the nulls as I
turn the loop.  This way I see only a few signals fade, out of the many
RFI signals...  This allows me to select what signals I want to track.

Takes a bit of practice, but once I got the hang of it, it shortened the
locate time down to minutes in most cases...

73s and thanks,
Dave
NK7Z
http://www.nk7z.net <http://www.nk7z.net/>

On 09/24/2017 08:32 PM, Kam Sirag (Yahoo) via RFI wrote:
 > Looking for some help with the following problem, if possible, (I'm going
 >
> to 'throw a handful of rice at the side of the barn and see if any sticks'
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> wrt to background information - just in case some of the ancillary info is
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 > actually more useful than I might have thought.
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 >
 >
> Every year I seem to need to track down some sort of new RFI here at the Ti5W
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> station in northern Costa Rica. Two years ago it was a faulty sensor for a
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 > sodium streetlight and last year it was a sodium streetlight itself.
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 >
 >
 > This year's nut has been a bit harder to crack. The RFI peaks in a
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> particular direction (about 335 degrees) and is s9 at some spots on the 15m
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 > band. It is broadband, and can be heard on all the bands, but is worst on
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 > 15m, noticeable on 10m and less so on 20m. (Presently I don't have WARC
 >
 > band antennas, but I'm guessing 17m and 12m pick it up also.) It can be
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 > heard on the low bands, but is in the noise floor. This noise started
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 > intermittently about three months ago and gradually became more frequent
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> until it's now on 24/7. Rain doesn't seem to affect it these days (I don't
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 > really recall if rain affected it at all.) One interesting thing is that
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> the noise has gone from something that the noise blanker on my FT5000 would
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> easily kill to one that the NB seems to have minimal effect on (I'm assuming
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 > it is the same noise - but that's not a 100% given.)
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 >
 >
> I have an AM mode recording WAV file of the noise that I'm happy to share if
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 > anyone cares to listen.
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 >
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> Although the noise is broadband, there are a couple of frequencies where it
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 > is highly attenuated. For example 21.260Mhz seems to be a null. But there
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 > are not many nulls. That's the only one on 15m.
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 >
 >
> My attempts so far at tracking it down have been somewhat successful - today
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 > there was a serendipitous power outage only in my immediate neighborhood.
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> The noise did not go away, which led me to believe it was farther away than
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> I thought. It is also loudest on the highest antenna - another vote for not
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 > being in close proximity.
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 >
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> So, I flew my camera drone in a line with the peak RFI heading on my yagi to
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 > see what may be out there farther away. At about 2.7km away, the pastures
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> gave way to a road with several businesses and homes in the 'target zone.'
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 > I built up a loop antenna, fixed it in the bed of my pickup truck, put a
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 > K3 in the passenger seat and listened as I drove to the area.
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 >
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> The noise seemed to peak when I got very close to a particular utility pole
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> in the target zone. I still need to figure out how to be 100% sure that the
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 > pole is the culprit, since the interference is worst on 15m, and it seems
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> like the RFI may be radiating on some of the power lines around that area.
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 >
 >
 > I was wondering if anyone could take a listen to the recording I made of
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> the noise, and possibly identify it, or have any other suggestions on how to
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 > approach this. I've tracked down a reasonable number of RFI issues in
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 >
 >
> Maryland, and also a couple down here, but none has involved a utility pole
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> potentially being the culprit. I tried comparing the noise to the ARRL RFI
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 > noise database, but am not confident I can say it matches anything. The
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 > main reason I'd like to have as much/overkill information as possible is
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> that down here in Costa Rica, it is harder for me to communicate effectively
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 > in order to explain an issue like this and also it's difficult to get the
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> utility company to act, or to ask entry into someone's home. So I guess I'm
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> trying to be as sure as I can be about what is going on before I try to pull
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 > any action triggers.
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 >
 >
> Thanks for reading and please feel free to reply in the group or directly to
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 > me.
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 >
 >
 > 73,
 >
 > Kam
 >
 > N3KS
 >
 > Ti5W
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