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To: w2up@comcast.net
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Is it time that the contest sponsors officially identify SCP as "assisted?"
From: "Radio K0HB" <kzerohb@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 02 Dec 2015 14:45:24 -0800 (PST)
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The "no code reader" rule bugs me a little bit.




It seems a departure from the "no outside source of Call/QRG" paradigm which 
previously was the generally accepted definition of assistance.




Perhaps the sponsor could share their rationale for this restriction.  As a 
long time CW guy with failing ears......  Well, let's just say that it's a 
growing crowd.






__73, de Hans, K0HB

"Just a Boy and His Radio"™

On Wed, Dec 2, 2015 at 2:37 PM, w2up@comcast.net <w2up@comcast.net> wrote:

>     Yes, automation is on the way. Last month I drove from Denver to Vegas 
> and back with no foot on the pedal and no hands on the steering wheel for 
> 1400 of the 1700 mile trip. Compared to that, automated contesting is easy!  
> Barry W2UP 
> Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone
> ------ Original message------From: Stan StocktonDate: Wed, Dec 2, 2015 8:35 
> AMTo: john@kk9a.com;Cc: cq-contest@contesting.com;Subject:Re: [CQ-Contest] Is 
> it time that the contest sponsors officially identify SCP as "assisted?"
> Making code readers cause you to be in assisted category is a stop measure to 
> total automation.  After lunch the other day, my bother who is not a ham and 
> who heard nothing but talk of all this for an hour during lunch, told me that 
> it seemed a very small step to go from what is being done by a human to total 
> automation.73...Stan, K5GO/ZF2ET> On Dec 2, 2015, at 8:00 AM, "john@kk9a.com" 
>  wrote:> > Until recently I thought that assisted meant getting outside 
> assistance to> find stations, typically multipliers. Skimmer made this more 
> complicated> as it really is not anyone else helping you find stations. Then 
> the> committee changed the rules to include code readers as assisted. 
> Certainly> logging software and computer generated CW are also some type of> 
> assistance or why would we use them. There would be no way to run on two> 
> bands simultaneously using a keyer and pad of paper.  Where does this end?> > 
> John KK9A> > > To:    cq-contest@contesting.com> Subject:    [CQ-Contest] Is 
> it time that the contest sponsors officially> identify SCP as "assisted?"> 
> From:    kr2q@optimum.net> Date:    Mon, 30 Nov 2015 23:26:40 +0000 (GMT)> 
> List-post:    mailto:cq-contest@contesting.com>> Yes, the sponsors (or their 
> committees) make the rules and the definitions.> > In CQWW and other 
> contests, use of a database to alter calls is not> allowed...post contest.> > 
> There can be zero doubt that using SCP is using a database assembled by> 
> others.> Is there really a difference in changing a callsign during the 
> contest via> use> of a db as> compared to changing it after the contest via a 
> database?  Think about it.> > Please focus on the "database" aspect rather 
> than the timing aspect.> > If CQWW can recognize use of a CW decoder (any 
> type, not just skimmer> type) as> assisted,> then why not recognize use of 
> SCP as assisted?> > For me (IMHO), use of SCP is far more "assisted" than use 
> of a cw decoder.> > If SCP partial is not helping you "copy" the callsign, 
> then why use it? > Would> you be happy> to operate without it?  If yes, then 
> say so.  If no, say so...and please> clarify why not.> > This is an old tune 
> for me.  See my NCJ article from May 1996, which covers> many topics,> 
> including SCP.  Don't have it available?  Write me and I'll send you a copy.> 
> > Some things never change....or can they?> > Usual disclaimer about my 
> opinion versus my membership on the CQWWCC.> > de Doug KR2Q> > 
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