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Re: [CQ-Contest] on line scores

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Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] on line scores
From: David Gilbert <xdavid@cis-broadband.com>
Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2013 10:59:59 -0700
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I don't think it adds a thing to anyone not actually in the contest. I can't imagine that more than a handful of non-contesters are going to spend any time at all watching a set of numbers increment on their screen.

"Re-imagining contesting" is going to require something far more interesting than simply making scores more visible. It's going to require coming up with contest formats that more closely parallel online gaming .... where the action a participant takes directly and in real time impacts the actions and scores of competitors, and where teams of players can collaboratively accomplish something in real time that they couldn't individually. I've pondered this issue at great length and haven't come up with anything yet that works for radiosport, but the model is certainly there. There are more people actively playing EACH of the major online games than there are U.S. amateur radio licensees in total.

Dave  AB7E



On 11/26/2013 9:20 AM, Steve Dyer wrote:
I am super excited about the idea of real-time posting AND scoring. It would be a tool to attract a lot of very positive attention to radio sport. A real game changer that would allow us to promote contesting as the modern, exciting activity it is to a *global* audience. An audience that expects to see results real-time, not 12 months later. The contest sponsors need to wake up on this one and make it their #1 priority if they want to survive. They will get a lot more attention from advertisers and sponsors if they can break the current mold and re-imagine contesting. Print cycles for dead tree magazines should not be driving the agenda anymore.

...but it's got nothing to do with using Skimmer.

73,
Steve
W1SRD
Soap Box- I want to commend the teams that took the time to post their
scores
on the cqcontest.ru site. Our friends in UA have dove an excellent job in making the site easy to use and very accurate. On a different note I will propose a change to the CQWW Rules to include some sort of rule that if a
station uses skimmer, packet or any other means of gathering information
they
will be obligated to post their scores. Here is a classic example given to
me
by KY4F.

"You and your wife are huge Golf fans, and save, and finally buy tickets
to the Master's Golf Tournament (CQWW CW is much like the Master's). In the process of your attendance, Tiger Woods and Phil Mickelson decide that they will not allow their scores to be listed on the leader boards and that they will keep their score cards in their pocket and not allow any fans or other competitor to see their score. Their score cards will not be available until
after every participant has finished the Tournament".

I see no discernible difference in the above case, and our current leaders
in
CQWW who refuse to participate in posting their scores online. It is done in
the Golf world to openly and frankly show what the score is at every
stroke. It
is a display of honesty and frankness and is a requirement for entry in any
golf
tournament. I call upon all of the contesting community to request...no
require... that all participants who use any method of information
collection
to post their scores!

As the contesting community has adjusted to the requirement for logs to be
sent
in and posted for all to see, it is now time to change this unnecessary
behavior
and openly post your score for all to see. Not posting your score equals non
entry in the contest.

de Rick NQ4I
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