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Are you against or in favor of the establishment of separate categories for SO2R (single-operator/two radio) operations?
  Posted: Mar 21, 2002   (681 votes, 27 comments) by N2MG

Survey Results
Very much in favor 37% (249)
Slightly in favor 12% (82)
Undecided 6% (42)
Slightly against 6% (41)
Very much against 31% (210)
Don't care 8% (57)

Survey Comments
SO2R
I also believe that there are too many categories but...On one hand everyone is shouting that we need new blood in contests and then we come right back and tell them "Oh by the way, to have any chance of being competitive in the single op category, you've got to have two radios and two antenna systems." I can see how easy it would be for a new ham to get discouraged and say "contesting is too rich for my blood"

Posted by N2UM on May 20, 2002

SO2R
I also believe that there are too many categories but...On one hand everyone is shouting that we need new blood in contests and then we come right back and tell them "Oh by the way, to have any chance of being competitive in the single op category, you've got to have two radios and two antenna systems." I can see how easy it would be for a new ham to get discouraged and say "contesting is too rich for my blood"

Posted by N2UM on May 20, 2002

NO More catagories
We need more catagories like we need an A index of 75 during all the contest weekends.
More catagories is just another way of making people feel they are in a "special niche".. It's all so politically correct..I'm not short I'm vertically challenged, I'm not fat I'm just metabolicly deficient, etc. etc. etc. It's also nice to see that some one else is felinely challenged during contests. My cat(s) like to help me operate as well. As for single operator two radio, well kind of defeats the purpose of Single Opereator in my opinion. Kind of like using computers and keyboards in a CW contest. Maybe we should have a catagory for that as well. After all it really isn't CW if you aint ear copying it and keying it.

Posted by N4SEA on May 12, 2002

SO2R
SINGLE OPERATOR says it all. Hey...isn't an FT1000 or a IC781 essentially a "2nd radio"?
Pushing ones self to the limit while maintaining the "2 ears" that most of us are limited to should not be penalized.
I do SO2R. From the Midwest it's the only way we can stay remotely competitive. The 2nd radio is often used for S&P while the main radio struggles to maintain a 60/hr rate. Others do better single radio. However, I don't ask for a special category 'cuz I'm on a 140' x 140' lot; or because I'm in the Midwest; or because there are ops who can outsend me by 15 WPM; or because I'm "over 50"; or because I can't stay up all 48 hours; or because I use 12 year old rigs; or because I put out way less than 1.5 Kw. I've finally learned a skill that "evens out the field a bit more". Don't penalize me.

K8GL

Posted by K8GL on March 20, 2002

so2r
first step, I am sorry but my english it's poor, I will try give my comment as best I can.
I think contest it's only to have fun during a weekend, we have many categories my opinion it's we must come back as the most normal, single op. single band all band. Multi single and Multi Multi. nothing more we must decised limits to transmitting on each categories, example: Single op all band packet no, maximum antennas a monoband per band, no more antennas, power maximun legal as your licend. Multi Multi only one antena per band, one transceiver per band, packet no. contest have to be funny, I never used in my life a packet cluster, I do all contest with simple tribander and monoband on 40, nothing more, thank you and sorry I would like to explaned better but it's not easy.

Posted by EA9LZ on March 16, 2002

Contest it's fun!
Thanks for all point of view. In Fact if you have a small and a humble station competing with others with more radios and antennas you are competing on a different position.
I know it's more work for Check log. But I agree with another category.
If you are on contest competing with others on same category with different conditions this is not a competition. Remember contest is for all operateurs Contest is a good service for promoting DX and Hamradio.
73s for All!

Posted by CT1BWW on March 16, 2002

SO2R
Let's see, how about single op, single radio, single antenna, unassisted, low power and my cat trying to sit in the middle of my desk? Yea. That should work.

73 de Bill Bosler
WF3M

Posted by wf3m on March 15, 2002

SO2R
We already have too many categories. Even if I enter SO2R category it is much easier to be in the first places. Not so many people can run or are running this category. If you want to run a contest and to prove or check your skills, choose a category which is not so easy to win. There you can measure your skills. Maybe it is better to combine SO2R and SO Ass. into one category. Otherwise in future we will think not how to win but which category to choose so I can win.

Posted by om2dx on March 13, 2002

Don't need it
Nah. I thought SO meant one operator, regardless of his equipment. Is this just to make for more awards and sponsors?

Let's see...I want to be in the "single operator, one computer, two microphones & single paddle" category...

WB2WIK/6

Posted by WB2WIK on March 13, 2002

New Categories?
We don't need no more stinking categories!

Instead why don't we get rid of some categories? How about combining SO Assisted into Multi-Single?? Instead of all these single band categories (which I'll admit I do enjoy), why not have a high band (10/15 and 20) and a low band (40/40 and 160) category, like in the old days.

73
Ted KR1G

Posted by kr1g on March 12, 2002

Band Change Rules
Hmmm... band-change rules would be the death of SO2R. It's very difficult to put two radios on the same BAND in the same ROOM without interference problems, unless you have two really good radios and some pretty good antenna separation... making the SO2R even more elitist!


My 2nd radio is an FT847 I usually use for satellites and VHF weak-signal work.. it can't stand up to being on the same band as my FT1000MP.

Simple switchable coax stubs and Inrad filters keep the FT847 happy on other bands, however. I suspect most of the 2nd radios aren't real contest rigs but the older rig guys have sitting around after upgrading to their 'real' radio.

My wife DOES feed me during the contest, what a luxury!

N4SL

Posted by N4SL on March 12, 2002

SO2R
We don't need a new category for a technique that has been used since the beginning of contesting. Having said that, it would be interesting to see a semi-major contest experiment with band-change rules that would modify the impact of SO2R.

Gary, K9AY

Posted by K9AY on March 12, 2002

SO2R
Although I have not tried SO2R yet, I may well want to in the future. Single operator is just that.. one operator. Nothing is said about how many radios that single operator can use, and I frankly see no reason to try and legislate it. Would be impossible to enforce. There is no way to truly level the playing field, so we all need to learn to live with it. If it takes 2 radios (or 3 radios, or ??) to win, then that is what you have to do to win. I have a tremendous amount of fun with 1 radio right now, thank you.

Posted by AE5P on March 11, 2002

SO2R
If we are to keep SO in one class then dont put the restrictions on the operator as to signals on the air band changes etc. make it
truly SO one operator does all, except if he is lucky his wife will feed him during the contest.

Chuck
N6OJ

Posted by N6OJ on March 11, 2002

so2r
I'd rather see a "Single Op Unlimited" class. Use
As many radio's, antennas, etc as you want.
Just so the Single Op rules are still used.
It would be interesting to see just how far
technology could evolve.
Tom W7WHY

Posted by w7why on March 11, 2002

SO2R

This is becoming an overdone issue. With the next generation of radios (like the TenTec Titan) that will feature full time dual receive, a frequency agile transmtter, and a solid state or automatic QSY amplifier there will be no way to distinguish a high end single radio or SO2R station.

What's the difference between a modern SO2R station and some of the old timers who had multiple C-lines, multiple S-lines, multiple monoband amplifiers and monoband antennas?
They were also able to search for multipliers, etc. on "other" bands. The only real change is that SO2R is more readily achieved by a larger group of opeartors/stations.

Posted by K4IK on March 11, 2002

Stand by for broken record
I know I'm repeating myself (again), but this is the thing:

One set of hands
+
one set of ears
+
one set of eyes
+
one brain
=
Single Operator.

Notice that this equation does not include the number of radios, computers, etc, etc.

SINGLE OPERATOR IS SINGLE OPERATOR. Period.

--73, Rus, K2UA

Posted by k2ua on March 11, 2002

SO2R
I agree with Steve - N4SL in general. Comments:
1. SO2R doesn't need to be expensive or take a lot of room. It can be one with 2 dipoles or verticals.
2. SO2R is challenging and keeps the contest interesting, especially during periods of low prop and/or participation.
3. SO2R is no guarantee of a higher score - trust me!
4. The winners using SO2R would probably win even if they were 1R or be very near the top.

Posted by wa9als on March 11, 2002

SO2R
There is no need to establish another category for SO2R, it is already there, SOAB!
Another category for SO1R is necessary, unless those of "us", for whatever reason choose SO1R, are forever destined to "compete with last years score"! I admire those that have the "skill" to operate SO2R, even though, even if I were to acquire the "skill", I have no desire to use it. A second "efficient" antenna system is necessary for SO2R, and with a 50X100 lot, I haven't the room for that! Knowing, going into a contest, that I am not able to compete "directly" with SO2R, my "personal" definition of "winning" must be changed to something attainable. If you think that "winning" isn't important, "then why do we keep score"?
Shelby, K4WW

Posted by K4WW on March 11, 2002

SO2R
I agree with Hal (N4GG)... I don't think we *need* yet another category... would we also need a SO2R LP and SO2R QRP category too???

Posted by VE2DC on March 10, 2002

K1XM wrote: "What category would I be in if I use an FT-1000MP?"

And what category would you be in with TenTec's new Orion which allows driving two amplifiers/antennas on two different bands???


Posted by W4ZV on March 10, 2002

SO2R
In my opinion we don't need any new categories. I have tried SO2R and it made the contest much more interesting than before. SO2R doesn't have to be expensive. I use just a plain old TS-830S. I think that mastering SO2R is a great help for narrowing the gap between propagationally different areas. My QTH is way up in the north which means quite challenging propagation with all the auroral activity. It helps a lot to play with the second radio although I may never be able to close the gap completely. My idea of contesting has always been trying to improve my operating skills and my station. If I cannot compete with the other competitors I am not trying to change the rules. I try to figure out how I could improve myself.

Teijo, OH6NIO

Posted by OH6NIO on March 10, 2002

SO2R
I am not planning SO2R but my opinion is:

To become successful in that mode you have to
spent a lot of money in the needed gear and which counts much more, your operating skills
must be outstanding trained.
So with this you get probably some benefit
over others and you should earn the advantage
you fighted for. Thats competition !
Everybody can go into it...

Bringing up new categories every time somebody developed something new to others to improve the personal results, would stop
further improvements on equipment or skills resulting in less competion and fun.

A much better idea would be to disable all
packet cluster during major contests.

Peter

Posted by DF3KV on March 10, 2002

What category would I be in if I use an FT-1000MP?

Posted by K1XM on March 10, 2002

SO2R



I believe this should not be another category! If so we can make another cathegory for OPS using selftuning amp (acom or similar), OPS with stacks......

I believe we only need new category-open category (no limit category), or make something with packet cluster category, or contest committee should check the logs and compare them to packet spots, because this is a big problem, from my side of view!

73 Ted, s51ta


CU 73 Ted, s51ta

Posted by s51ta on March 10, 2002

SO2R
I did this for the first time in the December 10m contest. It's actually quite difficult to do and other than the money spent on two sets of gear/antennas it's 100% OPERATING SKILL to actually use this to your advantage... so it should be allowed.

I understand how people feel, like it's cheating, but people have been using a 2nd radio to search other bands for needed multipliers for a very long time and it was/is 'legal'. This is just the next step.

Remember, kids, only ONE transmitted signal at a time! My setup is mutually exclusive on the transmit - I cannot put out two signals at once.

Make a separate SO2R catagory and none of the serious folks will enter in it - they want the certificate/plaque for the 'purest' form -- single op. But then, maybe that's the real point you are making.

73, Steve N4SL Machias, WA CN88xa

Posted by N4SL on March 9, 2002

SO2R
Personally, I don't think we need more categories. Pile up as many receivers, transceivers, bandpass filters, antennas and what-not that you can manage, apply the best skills you have, and see how you do. Compete against your own score from last year. At the moment I'm using stealth wires on a deed restricted lot, but not whining about getting a new category for the antenna-disadvantaged. IMHO :-) Hal, N4GG

Posted by N4GG on March 9, 2002

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