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Should the operator of a remotely controlled station that complies with all contest rules other than the fact that the operator is in a different geographical location be allowed to compete in the single operator category of major DX contests? (Please add comments to explain your feelings on this issue - tnx)
  Posted: Jul 16, 2012   (201 votes, 22 comments) by VE5ZX

  Don't think so
  Defintely no
  Don't know
  Don't care
    (201 votes, 22 comments)
Survey Results
Definitely 44% (89)
Perhaps 12% (24)
Don't think so 9% (18)
Defintely no 32% (64)
Don't know 0% (1)
Don't care 2% (5)

Survey Comments
Remote Contest Operations
I think this question is best answered on a per-contest basis. However in general, I agree with most posters that as long as BOTH transmitting & receiving are done from the same location and controlled by ONE operator (who remains in a single location during the contest period), then there should be no problem.
To let the rest of us know this occurred, it may well be appropriate to have a separate category for this operation; similar to the "assisted" categories.
However that is up to the contest coordinators.

Posted by WQ6X on February 24, 2013

Only if the radio and the operator are in the
same ITU zone.

Valerie ~ NV9L

Posted by Nv9L on October 1, 2012

definitely YES
Can you work under the porch with your laptop
because it is too hot inside the shack?
Surely YES.
so: what does change if the porch is on the
other side of the street? What if the porch is
on the other side of the town? What if it is in
the other side of the country?
That's so simple!!
Bob, I2WIJ

Posted by I2WIJ on July 15, 2012

It is getting harder and harder for hams in metropolitan areas to have a station AT ALL.

This is the ONLY solution for many hams. As long as the station complies with all applicable rules, why shouldn't it be allowed?

There are many things in Ham Radio which have changed in the last 35 years of my ham career, no code, new bands, DXCC eligibility changes, etc. This is just another aspect of those changes.


Joe W7UV

Posted by W7UV on July 4, 2012

remote operating
Remote operating,another nail in amateur radios coffin. Paul,G4PWA, Ludek,OK1DZR, and Chris,GM3WOJ.reflect my opinion.73 Mike.

Posted by G1WFK on June 29, 2012

Definitely no
Do you really want to work a station on Bouvet or Heard Island, only to find out later on that the operator was in New York??

That is where this is heading.

73, Paul G4PWA

Posted by g4pwa on June 26, 2012

And the next rule....
... is that we all need to use standard antenna's, amplifiers,
radio's and morse speed as defined by rules?

So, yes. Definitely yes.

Posted by PA9WOR on June 23, 2012

Remote Contesting
I voted Perhaps. For the reason, if they follow all the contest rules and license class rules, then why not ? I have not done so, but had the idea of operating my home station while I was away from it, due to business or personal reasons. We as hams should try and push the envelop of technology to see what can be accomplished,
Hey it's only just a fun contest, basically just to test your operating skills

Posted by WA2PNI on June 9, 2012

Remote Contesting
I too answered Definitely. The benefit of location, location, location is what we have here. The added strength of a good operator will make for great competition. It is a contest, so compete. Time and technology are running away with us. I will be at the location where my gear is but that is not to say mine is the only way. I agree with the technology of the day for those that choose to use it.

Rich N4ESS

Posted by N4ESS on June 9, 2012

Defintely no
Let's crucify me but definitely no. I am very afraid allowance of remote operated station seems to be like opening the Pandora's box with unpredictable consequences.

73 Ludek OK1DZR (OK5T contest group)

Posted by OK1DZR on May 30, 2012

The operator could be ruled as INDEPENDENT if
he was truly limited as to access to gear and
his Score in the Contest could ruled his alone,
and NOT part of the Station Total.

Posted by W5WMB on May 28, 2012

Why not?
If the station otherwise meets the
requirements of the contest (co-located TX
and RX,antennas, etc.), and the operator
licensing meets the regulations of the "host"
location, then why not?

This is really a non-issue, and will continue
to be more-so!

73, de Hans, K0HB

Posted by K0HB on May 27, 2012

Sorry but no
If you want to participate in the main event, be prepared to go the extra mile, period.

For daily Home use it's fb. Many (me included)are hampered by local noise and other restrictions. That's different from major DX contesting.
I also do admire all technical innovations involved in remote operation.

73 Mark PA5MW

Posted by pa5mw on May 22, 2012

If the station itself is following the rules by all means, I've done it myself. I would have been off the air with out a remote station.

In a nut shell I was just extending the mic or key and speaker cables, all transmitting and receiving was done at one location.

Rich - N5ZC

Posted by N5ZC on May 19, 2012

Remote Contesting
Why not? I live in an apartment with incredible noise from
power and cable on the other side of my living room wall. My
equipment is 35 miles away at work. It is the only way I can
operate from "home".

Posted by KE4KE on May 13, 2012

The only thing that matters is that Transmitting and receiving is being done from the same site. Where the operator sits does not matter. You are communicating with the station location not the operator location. Remote over the internet is like having very long headphone and keyer and mic cables, nothing more.

Posted by W0MU on May 11, 2012

TX & RX antennas plus radios at the same location qualifies in my eyes.

73 Holger, ZL3IO

Posted by ZL3IO on May 8, 2012

Of Course
Seems like this horse has been beaten to death over the last few years. As long as the operator states his location as the location of the transmitter, and he is using no other remote receivers othen than the one at the remote site, I see no reason he should be treated any differently than someone physically located at the remote location. Seems like most of the rules committess have come to the same conclusion which I believe to be correct. I would like to think that his will be an opportunity open to me someday when it is no longer practical to maintain a single family home wiht antennas.


Al, K0AD

Posted by K0AD on May 3, 2012

Remote = definitely no
Sorry but this is the start of a slippery slope.

I admire the technical innovations involved in remote operation, but if allowed we will soon have no idea where anyone is operating from !

73 Chris GM3WOJ / GM2V / GM7V

Posted by GM3WOJ on April 26, 2012

If the radio station is operated as if a virtual single op is sitting at the chair and nothing more, sure. If it is anything more than that, then no.


Posted by N1UR on April 25, 2012

Remote Contesting
Without hesitation, I answered "Definitely".

Then I read Jukka's, OH6LI, post and he makes an excellent point.

However, I am fascinated by the idea of remote amateur radio operation and I feel that it should be encouraged. Following the exploits of Eric Hilding, K6VVA, and also the Radio Arcala group (OH8X) has captivated my imagination.

I don't believe that a remote operator realizes an advantage over the operator on the ground at a given location. One might argue that the opposite is actually true.

In a slight "twist" to the DX scenario that Jukka raises, I would love to be able to operate my home station (QTH is in Texas) from a remote work location (I missed most contests in the last 6 months while working in New York).

I think that ham radio is constantly in a state of "transition" and remote operating may well become very common-place.

"Truth in lending disclosure": I am one of the "bottom-feeders" of the contesting community - so I'm not likely to lose a top-ten position to remote operation! I operate QRP and, even at the home station, have compromise antennas. It sure is fun though!

Andy - WA5RML

Posted by WA5RML on April 24, 2012

Contest Rules define this
For different contests, there are different rules for the use of remote stations.

In addition to the set of remote station rules, there is a lot of variation in other parts of the rules.

For example M/S ruling differs between contests.

Thus, I voted perhaps .. it is down for the contest organiser to decide how they see the remote operating.

There are many levels of differences in taking the trouble and really going DX versus being a virtual DX and sitting at home irl (in real life).

Jukka OH6LI

Posted by OH6LI on April 23, 2012

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