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Would you be in favor of changing the NA Sprint Contest rules to eliminate the HP category leaving only LP (100 watts or less) and QRP?
  Posted: Jun 21, 2008   (261 votes, 22 comments) by W0MU

  Yes
  No
  Don't know
  Don't care
    (261 votes, 22 comments)
Survey Results
Yes 59% (155)
No 28% (74)
Don't know 3% (8)
Don't care 9% (24)

Survey Comments
PWR LVL
I favor keeping the HP level as a catagory. If it were eliminated the 100 W rule might get abused.

Posted by K0PY on December 2, 2008

Have fun
High Power or Low Power, there is plenty of room for new contesters! Just have fun with what you enjoy and let other do the same. Anyway, I voted no.

Posted by oldfart13 on July 22, 2008

100 watts...
100 watts is all I have... no one comes back to me on ssb but I get an answer every time on cw... all S&P of course...

Posted by AA1AR on July 17, 2008

Power Levels
To all you people in favor of a 100 watt limit in the Sprint: I expect to work you in this next Thursday night's running of the NCCC-sponsored NS Sprint where there IS a 100 watt limit. Sprint rules and it only lasts 30 minutes, 0230-0300z on or around 14040, 7040, 3540 and 1815. Check it out: www.ncccsprint.com

73, Ted W4NZ

Posted by w4nz on July 14, 2008

Power Level
I was a rookie in the IARU Contest. I have 100 watt power. I got 8 QSOs, all from HP rigs. Couldn't hear anything else.

Posted by KE5QDA on July 14, 2008

Power Limit
Limiting power in a contest to 100 watts is a good idea. It is a time to show and develop your operatng skills. What skill is there in stepping on other signals ?

Posted by NV9X on July 13, 2008

NA Sprint Power
Sprint is a great contest, just as it is. I'm not competeing with N6TR...just myself!
I enjoy the four hours of aerobics for the brain.
Leveling the playing field has ruined every sport in which it's tried.
LEAVE SPRINT ALONE! Ray ND6S

PS Phone ops should work in the lower portion of the 75 meter band. This will leave the Pig Farmers and their four hour rag chews without a call sign, to constipate 3.8 and up.

Posted by ND6S on July 6, 2008

Power/Categories
KL7FH wrote: "The 100W stations are not competing with the HP stations. They are a different category. How does this level the playing field?"

The goal should not be to level the playing field. Rather, it should be to broaden the fun. Spread it out. If the little guys get squashed less (because of a 100W limit) they make more Qs. That's more Qs for EVERYONE.
More Qs result in greater participation. Let's not discourage people.

Why not try it for a year, or at least a single contest?

Posted by K1GU on July 5, 2008

Great Idea!!
That way - nobody will ever break my QSO record!!!!

Posted by n6tr on July 3, 2008

Not broken...
The Sprint isn't broken. There is no need to "fix" a problem that doesn't exist.

Posted by K9NW on July 2, 2008

Re: Simple Station
Posted by AB7E on June 28, 2008

> For many years I lived in a neighborhood
> that frowned upon large antennas,

'Large' is a subjective term. What's minimal in my eyes is an eyesore in my neighbors eyes.

> so I was stuck with ground plane verticals for the
> HF bands. Using an amplifier gave me the chance
> to have a decent signal anyway,

Great! Now, you're being heard better. However, ham radio is supposed to be 2-way radio. What did the 'amplefire' do for your receiving capability? The +8 dBd of a yagi/quad versus -?? dBd of a mediocre antenna is huge on receive as well. Then, there's the Front/Back and Front/Side ratio. Turn a yagi/quad 90° to an interfering signal and the offending signal disappears.

> and to have fun
> that I wouldn't otherwise have been able
> to do. And in spite of the politically
> correct folks who thoughtlessly preach that
> putting your money into an antenna always
> makes more sense than an amp, a used
> amplifier and an efficient vertical
> or dipole generates way more db/$ than does
> putting up a tower and yagi. Do the math
> sometime.

I did the math, so I did both... kilowatt AND a yagi. If more is better, too much is just right!

> There may be reasons why limiting the power
> level in a contest to 100 watts makes sense
> but none immediately come to mind for me,
> and doing so to "level the playing field" is
> just plain ignorant. If anything, it does
> just the opposite for the reasons I
> mentioned above.
>
> AB7E

How 'bout we change the rules to REQUIRE that everyone run a gallon? That way, the playing field will be level (and flat), and those in Alaska & Hawaii can be heard.

Bryan WA7PRC ;-)

Posted by WA7PRC on July 2, 2008

Power Level
Tried working Contests ie Field Day with 100 watts and You can and will be lost on the band for here in Hawaii. We never got more than 300 q's. I was at KH7B this year and went with the full legal limit and made 2000+ q's Plus it is a differnt class all together.

Posted by AH6RR on June 30, 2008

Simple Station
For many years I lived in a neighborhood that frowned upon large antennas, so I was stuck with ground plane verticals for the HF bands. Using an amplifier gave me the chance to have a decent signal anyway, and to have fun that I wouldn't otherwise have been able to do. And in spite of the politically correct folks who thoughtlessly preach that putting your money into an antenna always makes more sense than an amp, a used amplifier and an efficient vertical or dipole generates way more db/$ than does putting up a tower and yagi. Do the math sometime.

There may be reasons why limiting the power level in a contest to 100 watts makes sense but none immediately come to mind for me, and doing so to "level the playing field" is just plain ignorant. If anything, it does just the opposite for the reasons I mentioned above.

AB7E

Posted by AB7E on June 28, 2008

My 100 needs another 0
I agree with Frank, KL7FH;

"Limiting your power doesn't level the playing field. I agree with KU8E also...try 100W from Alaska sometime and see what happens".

I have a low profile HF station here in central Alaska and during this low period in the solar cycle, I need my AMP just to make it out of the state. If I had a 150 foot tower with stacks then it may be a different story. I'm an average ham surviving on a below average budget. Low or high power, I can never compete with stations up here like KL7RA, KL7DX, KL7FH, KL2R, and others and I know this. I think I do "okay" with what I have but I'm limited by my lack of contesting experience, equipment, and also location. I accept this and just enter the contests to have fun and hopefully work a few "new ones". You can limit everyone up here to 100 watts but I can guess who would still win and it would not be me!

Posted by KL8DX on June 27, 2008

A must
I specifically do not participate in Sprints
because there are HP stations on. As a
low power station I get squashed like a
bug. You cant run and you can't S&P. Sprints are no fun for low power stations. I can't imagine operating QRP.

I operate every other contest with Low Power
and I manage to survive.

Tim K6GEP

Posted by k6gep on June 27, 2008

Categories
The 100W stations are not competing with the HP stations. They are a different category. How does this level the playing field? It doesn't.

Posted by kl7fh on June 25, 2008

Power Level
Limiting your power doesn't level the playing field. I agree with KU8E also...try 100W from Alaska sometime and see what happens.

Posted by kl7fh on June 25, 2008

Power levels
I think the power levels being the same would be a big help. I like to work digi contests and when the power limit is 100 watts, I do better then when the power limit is full limit. Plus the signals are not as wide. More room to work.

n7uvh

Posted by n7uvh on June 24, 2008

OP or Station
That won't level the advantage of a good op going to a good station, the product of both operators, and entry as single-op. Hired gun single ops is what needs to be levelled, but too many have built their reputations on exactly that unfair advantage.

Posted by W5AO on June 23, 2008

Power Level
It seems to me there are four ingredients on the operator side (aside from propagation) that are operative in contests:

1) Antennas
2) Power
3) Rig capability
4) Operator skill

Given these ingredients, limiting power doesn't really change anything for the op running 16 stacked elements above 120' on 20m using a state of the art rig...and good for ops with great antennas!

Before the Euro became so strong, I worked many eastern Euro stations running 20 watts from a rig they built using a wire hung out the window. My hat is off to them.

With these things in mind, and from my observation, the chief ingredient is op skill, not the antenna, power or rig.

Now, if we could just get some good conditions!

Cheers, and 73s, W4OJC

Posted by W4OJC on June 22, 2008

Power Level
Limiting your power doesn't level the playing field. The antennas you use are using are the most important factor. Someone running a KW and a simple dipole or tri-bander would never compete with someone at a big contest station with a bunch of yagis. The same goes if they were both running 100 watts.

Check the results of every Sprint or NAQP and you will see 90% of the top ten are operating from big contest stations.

Posted by KU8E on June 22, 2008

All Contests
All contests should be limited to 100 watts output. This would level the playing field and make operating skill much more important.

W0EB

Posted by W0EB on June 22, 2008

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