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kr1g on 2001-07-23
Well, I use SO2R, I use CT, and I use 2 computers. It is physically impossible for me two transmit on both Radios at the same time. A really trivial S02R box I built forces this.
A rocker switch controls which radio is keyed - from both radios and the keyer

73
TED kr!g

Anonymous on 2001-07-23
<<most SO2R's have no way of preventing two signals at one time>>

MOST?! You've witnessed "most"? This comes from first-hand experience?

I think you "know" a lot less than you make out.

Anonymous on 2001-07-23
I sense sooo much "sour grapes" here.

Alas.

Anonymous on 2001-07-23
<<Don't kid yourself, the 10 minute rule did not end the octopus. Multi-singles will still always have more then one station per run and mult band.
>>

This is not only allowed, but encouraged. What's limited is the quick-switch TX between these several mult stations that would in effect create a multi-two or multi-multi operation. This kind of abuse is detectable and grounds for DQ.

Explaining this over and over to people is just so boring...

k2ua on 2001-07-23
Mister Anonymous, YOU're wrong.

Most SO2R types use software that lets them steer their key lines so that only one radio can transmit at a given time (a notable exception is anyone trying to use CT for this, without some kind of external lockout, since it really takes two computers to do it with any degree of sophistication in terms of interfaced radios, etc).

Those single ops who can transmit on two bands and do so during contests are cheating, plain and simple. This is not the same thing as a need for a separate category.

The tennis-ball analogy remains bogus. Sorry.

--73, Rus, K2UA

k5tr on 2001-07-23
> since most SO2R's have no way of preventing two
> signals at one time and therefore should be DQ'd
> under the SO rules. If you don't believe it just
> listen in the next NAQP,CQ WW,...etc.

If this is true then they should be DQ'ed.
I am not sure it is fair to say "most" because
I do not think that is true - I think the case is
more like "some".

In the Sept CW sprint a station was DQ'ed for having
two signals - if you hear this in a contest then
by all means you should bring it up.

k5tr on 2001-07-23
> Multi-single rules in IARU contest are the one
> of the worst. It allows "cheaters" to work CW&SSB
> on the same band same time but on the other hand
> the rulesdo not allow any kind of effective
> 73 Timo OH1NOA


You need to read the rules. The 10 minute rule applies
for band AND mode changes.

Anonymous on 2001-07-23
Sorry Rus, you are wrong. SO and SO2R people are operating two different categories. The tennis ball analogy is correct since most SO2R's have no way of preventing two signals at one time and therefore should be DQ'd under the SO rules. If you don't believe it just listen in the next NAQP,CQ WW,...etc.

In formula one racing, engines can be tuned anyway you want, but you can't use two engines in the same car. It is about how well you drive and how well your similar equipment works. Thus, there shouldn't be two types of single-ops competing against each other in contests.

k2ua on 2001-07-23
First of all, I'm not afraid to post a message here with my call sign. To the few who have: Thank you. To the others: Go on, be brave--take responsibility for your own opinions!

Every time the SO2R issue comes up, I can't believe the reactions people come out with. Here's my position: Single operator is one operator--one brain, one set of eyes, ears, hands, etc. How many radios he or she uses is immaterial; this is SINGLE OPERATOR.

As to the two-tennis-balls analogy, that doesn't hold water--that's equivalent to two transmitted signals at one time (which is outright illegal for single ops in all major HF contests).

Yes, there are those with poor SO2R operating practices. If an operator does things that make him or her a toad on the air, that's a problem that must be resolved by peer pressure. It's no different than how we must respond to other poor operating practices.

SO2R is here to stay, and it hasn't been legislated out of the single operator category in any contest as far as I know. And there's a reason for that--doing so doesn't pass the basic logic test.

This is far different than the sub-thread about the multioperator classifications--the subtle and not-so-subtle aspects of those categories make them very different from one another, and thus they must be separated.

--73, Rus, K2UA

Anonymous on 2001-07-23
><Yawn> Guess you guys never heard of an octopus.

Those that ignore history are doomed to repeat it... <

Don't kid yourself, the 10 minute rule did not end the octopus. Multi-singles will still always have more then one station per run and mult band.

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