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A wake up call to contest organizers

Alberto U. SILVA (LU1DZ) on January 3, 2009
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Hello friends:

The truth is I'm not sure if the title of this message should be: What is happening to us contesters.

Here goes a story that I dare call a "tragicomedy."

A group of 20 dedicated Colombian amateurs have presented a formal protest concerning the illegal opeeration of a Russian station in Bogota. The protest has also been filed with the Colombian Ministry of Communications in the form of a complaint.

Our member and friend Juan Camilo Rodríguez, HK3CQ, has personally expressed to us his worry concerning these types of operations, which have been taking place lately in his country.

Dimirti Kryukov, RA3CO, operated as HK3RA in the 2008 CQ WW SSB contest, an activity that was labeled by many as a "pirate".

The HK3RA license belongs to Wolfgang Torres, someone who cannot authorize the use of his callsign and was not aware of the circumstances, since he only operates VHF phone.

In addition, the operation is not permitted by Colombian law as cited in Chapter VII, Article 76, Section 9 of the rules that regulate amateur radio activities in that country, that states "The use of one's callsign by any other person is prohibited".

The complaint/protest also makes clear that Kryukov did not follow the rules of the country in 2007, on which occasion he operated HK1AR and took second place in the world for the Single Op Low Power category of CQWW CW.

Also included in the matter is the owner of HK1AR, Tony Rogozinski W4OI, who permitted Kryukov to use his station in the 2007 CQWW CW contest, who being responsible for following the rules of his country, did not put a stop to the operations, and in truth seems to rent his station frequently for use during contests.

But the matter, which has been widely debated, doesn't stop there since Girts Budis YL2KL also operated Rogozinski's station in the 2006 CQ WPX RTTY and the ARRL CW DX contests, also without having any legal authorization to do so.

After speaking with Juan, HK3CQ, and noting the names and contests involved, I think that our HK friends have followed the correct course of action and those involved should be much more careful and tactful, by putting respect for the rules and laws first.

With respect to the organizations that organize contests, it's obvious that they are faced with a complicated situation to adequately handle these type of actions since an inspection is not feasible, however, with the presentation of a formal complaint they should act and not try to stop the investigations through administrative tricks as if they are looking the other way or as if it weren't their responsibility to publicly disqualify those who break the rules in such manners.

In this case in particular, the organizing committee of the CQ WW has resolved to seek from the complainants a legal response from the Ministry, something that is more than ridiculous and that covers them with a cloak of suspicion, when in reality the subject could be resolved by simply asking the denounced persons to save their honor and good name by showing their authorization to operate and thereby putting an end to the subject.

These actions should be taken by the contest organizers as a wake up call, because if they do not take a clear action in this case, the contests will be abandoned by those who follow the rules and laws and feel spurned and pushed aside by increasingly documented irregularities.

One version of the facts in English has been published by Jamie Dupree, NS3T, on the WRTC web site: http://www.radio-sport.net/hk_ra3co.htm

Spanish copy of this topic is available at GACW web site http://gacw.no-ip.org - "Los Mensajes de Uranito" Yahoo distribution list http://ar.groups.yahoo.com/group/uranito/ and SPAR spanish forum http://www.spar-hams.org .

Best regards Alberto U. Silva LU1DZ WWSA Contest Manager http://gacw.no-ip.org

Member Comments: Add A Comment
A wake up call to contest organizers Reply
by ey8mm on January 6, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
I know Dmitry RA3CO and Girts YL2KL personally as dedicated contesters and very nice guys. Lately I noticed few articles about HK operation and first question which come to my mind is why it is published so late if first "illegal" operation happened back in 2006?

I am fully support statement that all operations should not violate local laws. This issue out of question.

I strongly believe that this situation should be clarified between Colombian Hams and RA3CO and YL2KL first. As I see from these posts we see a word representing only one side.

Contest organizers has no complain. Station owner who provide station had no complain. Usually when I travel myself local Hams always assist me with explanations how to make operation in proper way. Here it seems like different reason of these publications.

I will be very happy if I am wrong. I hope that this conflict will be resolved in Ham Spirit way.


HNY!
 
A wake up call to contest organizers Reply
by 4L5A on January 6, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
Dear Alberto,
I think you need to call it "Wake up call to national radioamateur organizations"
I see HK3CQ is involve in simple blackmail against
CQ WW CC
I send you email with explanation but because I dont receive answer on my second email and you tell me that you will still support HK3CQ position Im giving you answer
Answer is quite long(much longer then your letter) and you can read that on http://contesting.at-communication.com/en/lu1dz_wwsa_hk3cq_ra3co_yl2kl_k3est_hk3ra/
 
A wake up call to contest organizers Reply
by lw2dx on January 6, 2009 Mail this to a friend!

Hi everyone and HNY from north Italy....

"...I hope that this conflict will be resolved in Ham Spirit way..."

Well...don't really know how a conflict can be resolved in a "ham spirit way"...In fact, what's that..???

And what about a resolution in a "non ham spirit way"...??...I think it will be better...much better for us all...

Fernando
LW2DX


 
RE: A wake up call to contest organizers Reply
by LU1DZ on January 6, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
Hello dear Alexander 4L5A:

About my post "A wake up call to contest organizers" in Contesting.com.

The GACW position in general (and my position in particular) is that everyone must be sure to follow the rules before taste the contest adenaline.

I´m sorry I can´t match your position about this subject, we have another perspective of the amateur radio spirit.

We can´t avoid to be a "contest watch dog" in favor of those ham radios who compete following the rules.

In this particular case or any other case: "the subject could be resolved by simply asking the denounced persons to save their honor and good name by showing their authorization to operate and thereby putting an end to the subject".

Muchos saludos
Best regards
Alberto U. Silva LU1DZ
WWSA Contest Manager
http://www.youtube.com/lu1dz
http://www.geocities.com/lu1dz
http://gacw.no-ip.org
http://ar.groups.yahoo.com/group/wwsatest/
http://www.geocities.com/eetecar
http://ar.groups.yahoo.com/group/uranito/
http://www.lu-escuelas.com.ar


 
RE: A wake up call to contest organizers Reply
by LU1DZ on January 6, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
Dear Nodir EY8MM:

Many thanks for your answer.

I´m sure it´s a mistake and nobody will be killed for this type of operation.

But the station owner have a big resposability to provide his station for such ilegal operation and (We) the contest organizers must try to "find the point to point way" to find a solution to this subjects.

May be you can help us inviting those good friends to make his mistake public here and then ask to the contest organizers to use their logs as a "check log" only.

A simple message will provide an easy and complete solution and the discussion will finish inmediatly.

Muchos saludos
Best regards
Alberto U. Silva LU1DZ
WWSA Contest Manager
http://www.youtube.com/lu1dz
http://www.geocities.com/lu1dz
http://gacw.no-ip.org
http://ar.groups.yahoo.com/group/wwsatest/
http://www.geocities.com/eetecar
http://ar.groups.yahoo.com/group/uranito/
http://www.lu-escuelas.com.ar
 
RE: A wake up call to contest organizers Reply
by ey8mm on January 6, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
Dear Alberto!

I believe that key point of problem is statement that their operation is "illegal". So Check log or will change nothing. The problem is NOT between contest organizers and RA3CO/YL2KL. Problems is somewhere in HK (station owners, call sign owners, PTT , other officials etc) which looks for me very strange.

I can not imagine that someone come for my QTH to operate the contest and I did not make sure it is done legally. Specially for stations who rent stations for money compensation.

Both of guys travel WW and provide excellent mult from many places. And another strange thing that both of them operated "illegally" from one country and has no problems anywhere in the world.

Last thing which scared me is your statement more is advice to change to Checklog. How Checklog or Not-Checklog can affect situation if operation was illegal? Do Colombian authority that deep in Ham Radio Contesting?

I don't want to offend anyone by my comments. I have high respect for Colombian Hams. But I beleive that this situation is to be resolved in HK because you, me and any third party reader has no full information to make correct conclusions.

I am not fond of this public discussions so if someone interested to continue discussing subject with me personally please contact me by e-mail.

Only reason I made this notes that I don't agree with your conclusions at all. But your willingness to make contesting better is greatly appreciated!

 
RE: A wake up call to contest organizers Reply
by LU1DZ on January 7, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
Dear OM Nodir EY8MM:

Many thanks for your remarks.

I hope to be more specific and that our lenguage differences will be shorted.

There is a big difference in between.

a - Sending your log to compete when broken the contest rules and/or the telecomm country law.

a.1 The one who compete knowing he´s broken the rules/law is making a fraud.

a.2 - "In the broadest sense, a fraud is a deception made for personal gain or to damage another individual. The specific legal definition varies by legal jurisdiction. Fraud is a crime, and is also a civil law violation. Many hoaxes are fraudulent, although those not made for personal gain are not technically frauds. Defrauding people of money is presumably the most common type of fraud, but there have also been many fraudulent "discoveries" in art, archaeology, and science". (Wiki).

b - Knowing that you made this type of mistake, and you decided to send your log (or not) but out of competition because you don´t want to compete making a fraud.

b.1 "A pardon is the forgiveness of a crime and the penalty associated with it"

I´m very sorry you refuse to continue this subject because "an adult free speaking" can help to a better understanding and we will make a good
contribution to the amateur radio and contest community.

Many thanks for your contribution.

Muchos saludos
Best regards
Alberto U. Silva LU1DZ
WWSA Contest Manager
http://www.youtube.com/lu1dz
http://www.geocities.com/lu1dz
http://gacw.no-ip.org
http://ar.groups.yahoo.com/group/wwsatest/
http://www.geocities.com/eetecar
http://ar.groups.yahoo.com/group/uranito/
http://www.lu-escuelas.com.ar
 
RE: A wake up call to contest organizers Reply
by ey8mm on January 7, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
Dear Alberto,

Because this situation involve RA3CO and HK side I was hopping that they resolve it themselves. I did not refuse from discussion at all. I just said what I wanted to say. I know first hand that it is not that obvious as you are stating regarding license. Their are some names which were involved. But it is not my way making rumors. And I am not a judge. If you are interested to go really deep in this conflict - contact RA3CO. If he likes he will tell you how much he paid for license etc. He can show his mail exchange with HK fellows etc etc.


 
RE: A wake up call to contest organizers Reply
by 4L5A on January 7, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
Alberto I dont know about what crime you talking about here I think blackmail is not right things
What do you want contest comittee to do to DQ RA3CO
and YL2KL like HK3CQ want?
Do you want contest comittee to ask everybody to send
copy of their license together with their log?
Organize first your self and your society
You mention to me some calls operating from LU illegally they are DQed or you ask CQ WW Committee to
do any action?
I think illegal operation is first job of local PTT and not LU1DZ and HK3CQ
I understand you dont have anything from local PTT
CQ WW CC is dont ask for copy of the license and also
remember there is many station operate in the contest
and count like multiplier but not accepted by DXCC
Ok I dont know on the same time if I need to explain
you something because Im not sure that you hearing
what others say
No body is support operation with out of license but
situation in HK is not just like white and black and
that question need to be cleared in HK and not in LU
HK3CQ is quired
HK1AR is quired
Why they are renting stations in HK if its illegal??
73
 
A wake up call to contest organizers Reply
by kq7w on January 7, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
Interesting debate,

This article was just pointed out to me by a friend just now, and I tried my best to hold back, laugh at it, and let it go, but no.. I had to reply.

I have to side with Nodir on this one.

It is not for me to judge who did what or why, I believe the best way to handle these things is to contact the authorities in PRIVATE and let them handle the case accordingly.

Spreading what might or may not be erroneous information on a public forum with just the intent of stirring the pot does not really count.

best, 73
Matt - KQ7W
 
A wake up call to contest organizers Reply
by LU5DX on January 7, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
I feel very sad my friends. And in behalf of most of LU Contesters I must apologize for all this.

I don't see the point in writing those lines here when they have already been published in NS3T. (in an informative way)

Who are we to request further clarification from authorities or contest organizers in a public site for a situation that is not yet clear and that involves well known contesters.
And furthermore, for something that supposedly happened in the terms described by the article author in a foreign country not in LU!!!!!!!!

Even worse, to list LU callsings (though it was done in private messages) as unauthorized ones, when not a single operation has been DQed, nor has been penalized by our local PTT.

I just can't believe it.


Sincerely

Martin, LU5DX
 
RE: A wake up call to contest organizers Reply
by LU1DZ on January 7, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
Martin LU5DX

I´m very sorry you decided to cross the line instead show a "Contest big spirt" to teach others to learn the way.

How far is this moment where you receive the LU8DQ Memorial plaque I donated.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KnA3Gmnl1_Q&feature=PlayList&p=A45541BF7E9AC030&index=17

Please try to speak for yourself .

I hope you misunderstanding my bad english.

I´m sure you don´t need it but I will focus my post, first in english and then in spanish, may be you
can understand it now.

"A wake up call to contest organizers

These actions should be taken by the contest organizers as a wake up call, because if they do not take a clear action in this case, the contests will be abandoned by those who follow the rules and laws and feel spurned and pushed aside by increasingly documented irregularities".

"En la dirección correcta...

Estas acciones deben ser asumidas por los organizadores como un verdadero
llamado de alerta, pues si no adoptan una clara acción en este sentido, los mismos serán abandonados por quienes cumplen con las reglas y leyes y se sienten menospreciados y dejados de lado ante el cumulo de iregularidades detectadas".

Muchos saludos
Best regards
Alberto U. Silva LU1DZ
WWSA Contest Manager
http://www.youtube.com/lu1dz
http://www.geocities.com/lu1dz
http://gacw.no-ip.org
http://ar.groups.yahoo.com/group/wwsatest/
http://www.geocities.com/eetecar
http://ar.groups.yahoo.com/group/uranito/
http://www.lu-escuelas.com.ar


 
RE: A wake up call to contest organizers Reply
by LU1DZ on January 8, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
Dear OM Matt KQ7W:

Many thanks for your post.

Yes, probably it´s better to cut the names of those persons involved in this contest tricky bussines, but nothing will change because you can search and find them in many web sites who don´t support such ilegal operation like GACW is doing.

In any case, you can choose (or not) other names that are broken the contest "Big Spirit" because they wanted the instant gratification (the old-fashioned kind takes just too long - that happiness requires patience and I don't want to wait, etc.), although they know that this will not give them any happiness.

We received this info personally from a GACW Member Juan Camilo HK3CQ who was visiting us last december, HK3CQ is a very well know colombian amateur radio, he have an Economy degree and a Doctorate in History, actually he is in charge of the Investigation Department of some Bogota University. His wife Consuelo who was studying in France an other european contries, is dedicated to the art, his 14 years old daugther Mariana is at high school and his 18 years old soon Felipe is going to complete his studies in Australia.

My family enjoyed to share our Xmas time with them.

I showed the name of people involved in this affaire in a context of understanting who is who.

I post this article here as the World Wide South America DX CW Contest Manager in a web site that is located in the United States of America, the one of the bigest Democracy source, in the name of the free speaches, hopping to speak freely without censorship, limitation, intolerance or dicrimination.

From his early days, because GACW adopted that philosophy position, is frequently suffering a lot of discrimination and a prejudicial treatment from organization or persons who walk in the opposite side or because they heat Morse Code.

The source of GACW position is very simple, "the way our father show us, what our mother teach us and what we learn in the public school".

Many thanks for your contribution and I hope to meet you in the HF bands.

Muchos saludos
Best regards
Alberto U. Silva LU1DZ
WWSA Contest Manager
http://www.youtube.com/lu1dz
http://www.geocities.com/lu1dz
http://gacw.no-ip.org
http://ar.groups.yahoo.com/group/wwsatest/
http://www.geocities.com/eetecar
http://ar.groups.yahoo.com/group/uranito/
http://www.lu-escuelas.com.ar

 
RE: A wake up call to contest organizers Reply
by LU5DX on January 8, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
Al.

First of all I hope you understand all this has nothing to do with the appreciation I feel for you.

You know I deeply respect your contest career teaming up with Jorge LU8DQ in the 60's. I always tried to support as much as I could contests or other activities organized by you.

Second of all, in my case I feel I have no right to teach nothing to anybody and I hope I haven't crossed any dangerous line!

I just feel very sad for what's going on. I believe Dimitri and Girts deserve respect for the background as contesters and specially for their qualities as persons and friends.

I agree with you that contest organizers must take all possible care to assure fair play within all possible rules and regulations of our activity as amateur radio operators.

You know, contesting is always evolving and changes in contest rules may take years. Just as an example, whenever I had the opportunity I let cq ww contest committee members know that contest log should be made public after the log checking process. I started asking for that in 1996 and it only happened after 10 years in 2006.

In this case, if a more serious process must be established to assure all licensing requirements have been satisfied for a contest operation, I just believe there is no need to name names, specially for a situation that is not yet clear and involves well known contesters.

I always believe the "bona fide" principle should prevail. And in this case I'm totally sure RA3CO and YL2KL proceeded that way (with bona fide).

But please let me disagree with you in the way this problem is being treated. And please understand this is not personal.

Remember? In the meeting where you gave me the plaque for WWSA I still told you I didn't understand nor I supported your actions against LR4A in the IARU 2007.

I hope we can disagree and still have respect for each other and a good relationship as we always did.

Best regards.

Martin, LU5DX
 
A wake up call to contest organizers Reply
by LU5DX on January 8, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
Well..... the more I read the more I don't really understand!

I really Hope CQ DOES NOT DQ RA3CO, nor they DQ YL2KL!

Who in heaven is HK3CQ to ask HK PTT not to allow these fellow contesters to operate from HK in the Future!!!! Who in this universe does he think he is to ask such such a malicious action against fellow amateur radio operators.!!

This is INSANE!

This guys (RA3CO/YL2KL)made a bona fide approach to contesting from HK.

There are several things involved, a possible strong language barrier, the fact that their host may have assured to them that everything was in place for the operation, etc, etc.

Is it so crazy for this HK fellows to think a more decent and rational solution than this bellicose crap!

Is it so hard to ask their HK PTT to issue kind of a warning for future operations as a corrective action, or to ask CQ to state something about this subject in the contest rules instead of asking for DQing our friends.

The more I read the worse I feel about all this.

I still think the vast majority of ham radio operators think of goodwill, international friendship, peace, understanding, and all possible positive things in the first place, rather than thinking in severe out of place punishments for their fellow amateur radio operators/contesters.


No wonder why peace is so hard to keep in nowadays world.

Vy sad!

Martin, LU5DX

P.S. I really hope the contest community take some kind of action to prevent CQ from DQing our friends.
 
RE: A wake up call to contest organizers Reply
by LU1DZ on January 8, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
Martin LU5DX:

Time to time is a good practice to go to the library.
The books describe hipocrisy as a lack of sincerity.

Sincerity to asume my mistakes...
Sincerity to fill the contest log...
Sincerity with the amount of final power used...
Sincerity to use the correct callsign..
Sincerity with the QTH/Location used, asking for pardon, giving excuses, etc.

I don´t want to presume that the actions of "your friends" are indicative of the kind of person they are, rather than the kind of situations that compels
their conscious or unconscious behaviour. But I´m sure that those who you call "your friends" has a lack of sincerity

Juan Camilo is acting as is described in the law books of most countries. The "Citizen arrest" (or nearly named) is an act made by a person that isn´t a formal law enforcement agency agent.

Normally this is a power for some kind of criminal acts but in some countries you can go to jail and in some jurisdictions this offences can be proceeded with summarily, without the right to a jury trial.

For a better understanding of your point, would you please explaine my if you are the leader of a group of persons (not real amateur radio at all) who like to broken the contest rules and/or telecom law as his normal style of life ...?.

Muchos saludos
Best regards
Alberto U. Silva LU1DZ
WWSA Contest Manager
http://www.youtube.com/lu1dz
http://www.geocities.com/lu1dz
http://gacw.no-ip.org
http://ar.groups.yahoo.com/group/wwsatest/
http://www.geocities.com/eetecar
http://ar.groups.yahoo.com/group/uranito/
http://www.lu-escuelas.com.ar
 
RE: A wake up call to contest organizers Reply
by LU5DX on January 8, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
Hi again Al, LU1DZ:

I believe not all the books in the universe can compensate for the lack of goodwill. (And I'm not talking about you, I'm talking about HK3CQ)

I studied law in the 90's and there are several principles being broken in the way this subject is being treated.

First and most important the principle of "inocence". This situation is not yet clear.

Second of all the principle of "bona fide"

Are this HK guys "by passing" this two principles?

Do they believe these two contesters are already guilty? and, Do they believe the deliberately proceeded in order to avoid the HK law?

Is their mind so freaking small that these HK guys can't think first that there may be a misunderstanding, or whatever you want to call it???

Do they have to ask for DQing stations instead of thinking of better ways to clarify contest rules, or whatever you can think to avoid this situations in the future???

If books lead to this creepy way of thinking I promise I'll stay way away from the library from now on.

My friends without "", because I consider them real friends, and I met them both in person, proceeded based on what they knew from their hosts, and based also in the information they were provided.

For your better understanding of my point I can't say anything because you won't ever understand my point.

I'm not the leader of anything. I just co-founded a group of contesters back in 2000. That's it. We have no rules, no officers, just members who are willing to get on the air and join major contests and have fun without breaking any rules. That's it.

To me Al, this has nothing to do with that. Neither it has to do with books, nor with being literate about laws. This has to do with common sense, goodwill, and some other values, that are well above written books or laws.

With regards.

Martin, LU5DX
 
RE: A wake up call to contest organizers Reply
by LU1DZ on January 9, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
Martin LU5DX:

Hipocrisy is a lack of sincerity.

Sincerity to asume my mistakes...
Sincerity to fill the contest log...
Sincerity with the amount of final power used...
Sincerity to use the correct callsign..
Sincerity with the QTH/Location used,
...asking for pardon,
...hiden portable location,
...giving excuses,
...using spots,
...etc.

The contest rules have to preserve the essence of the "legally-protected right o legally-protected interest" by the telecom law and provide equality
for all participant, not to be used to justify criminal acts.

Muchos saludos
Best regards
Alberto U. Silva LU1DZ
WWSA Contest Manager
http://www.youtube.com/lu1dz
http://www.geocities.com/lu1dz
http://gacw.no-ip.org
http://ar.groups.yahoo.com/group/wwsatest/
http://www.geocities.com/eetecar
http://ar.groups.yahoo.com/group/uranito/
http://www.lu-escuelas.com.ar
 
RE: A wake up call to contest organizers Reply
by 4L5A on January 9, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
Alberto your advertizing your self like person who is fight for the true
Look on that:
Its interesting did Colombian law is allowing that?
Call: 5K5Z
Operator(s): W4OI
Station: HK3CQ

Class: SOSB/20 LP
QTH: Colombia
Operating Time (hrs): 26

Summary:
Band QSOs Zones Countries
------------------------------
160:
80:
40:
20: 1585 36 118
15:
10:
------------------------------
Total: 1585 36 118 Total Score = 750,000
Its CQ WW CW 2004

According to QRZ.COM 5K5Z is belong to:

Gary McClellan,3422 E Altadena Ave,Phoenix, USA

That clearly show how HK3CQ is following own country rules Propably he need to send complain about his self also to CQ WW CC and to Ministry of Communication of Colombia


If you real like to present your self then Im expecting to see that you apoligize and ask CQ WW CC to wake up and DQ HK3CQ if not everything you saying here is only to share another xmas day with HK3CQ :-)
 
RE: A wake up call to contest organizers Reply
by LU5DX on January 9, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
The lines below, according to www.radio-sport.net belong to a letter sent by HK3CQ to K3EST.

"The situation is so severe that many have said they will no longer participate in CQWW contests until the committee takes action." (HK3CQ Dixit, according to www.radio-sport.net)

I've sent ten (10) emails to HK contesters (based on callsings listed in the results of CQ WW DX SSB/CW)

Seven (7) of them have replied they don't endorse HK3CQ's actions at all. (the other three have not replied yet)

I wonder why they all (the seven that replied) are so afraid of giving their opinions in public! They all requested full privacy. And they all expressed how sad they feel about this situation.

So I wonder who are these HK contesters whose lack of goodwill makes them put pressure in CQ WW Contest Committee saying the will no longer enter CQ contests if RA3CO/YL2KL don't get DQed.!

If HK3CQ statement is true (which I of course seriously doubt)... who needs contesters like that? I'd rather loose the HK multiplier than working people with such lack of goodwill and poor spirit....


73

Martin, LU5DX
 
RE: A wake up call to contest organizers Reply
by LU1DZ on January 9, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
Martin LU5DX:

- This post was motivated for the lack of sincerity of a group of contesters (not amateur radios at all) who are broken the contest rules and/or the
telecom country law as an style of life.

- Some of those contesters use to acting toghether as an incipient ilegal association to articulate his public self defense when some other person ask for a punishment for their contest irregularities.

"Since when the wall is pissing the dog".

Muchos saludos
Best regards
Alberto U. Silva LU1DZ
WWSA Contest Manager
http://www.youtube.com/lu1dz
http://www.geocities.com/lu1dz
http://gacw.no-ip.org
http://ar.groups.yahoo.com/group/wwsatest/
http://www.geocities.com/eetecar
http://ar.groups.yahoo.com/group/uranito/
http://www.lu-escuelas.com.ar
 
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by LU1DZ on January 9, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
I´m sorry, my english is so rusty.

For a better understanding, please replace last sentence by...

"When the wall started to peeing the dog...?"
"Never"

Muchos saludos
Best regards
Alberto U. Silva LU1DZ
WWSA Contest Manager
http://www.youtube.com/lu1dz
http://www.geocities.com/lu1dz
http://gacw.no-ip.org
http://ar.groups.yahoo.com/group/wwsatest/
http://www.geocities.com/eetecar
http://ar.groups.yahoo.com/group/uranito/
http://www.lu-escuelas.com.ar

 
RE: A wake up call to contest organizers Reply
by LU5DX on January 9, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
Al, LU1DZ.

Everyone here has treated you with respect. Maybe it's because of a strong language barrier for you. I hope you realize you are disrespecting those involved in this thread with no reason at all and with false accusations.

I also hope you realize hundreds of emails are circulating from fellows in Europe and the States and most of them talking about boycotting WWSA this year.

I feel very sad for all this. Specially because I always tried to support WWSA and now I see what you are doing is making contesters think you really are trying to hurt the Amateur Radio Sport ( Ham Radio Contesting)

May God help find clarity in your thoughts and in you soul.

With all due respect...

Martin, LU5DX
 
RE: A wake up call to contest organizers Reply
by 4L5A on January 10, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
Dear Martin,
Here is answer why LU1DZ is making her complains because he is inside the cartel
http://ar.groups.yahoo.com/group/wwsatest/message/130
and even using South American contest website to advertize business of his friend
Propably Alberto like me to publish more info about his dirty job
I will do that
73 Al 4L5A
 
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by lw2dx on January 10, 2009 Mail this to a friend!

Hi everyone now from a very cold Paris....

Boicot to wwsa...!!!
Guauuu....I wonder how this nice fellows from the States and Europe will boicot a contest when the test is on....Can anyone tell me how a test may be boicoted..?

BTW, is this the real "ham spirit" I read somewhere above. Let's boicot the test...!! GREAT...!!

May be I can shake hands with some of this nice european fellows...Is there any of them in Paris area...or may be in London, where I will be in 2 days..??....PSE...let me know...!!!!

I really want to know first hand how a test is boicoted...may be some day I may boicot the CQ WW...!!

Best regards

LW2DX
Fernando PROUD MEMBER OF GACW....!!!! VERY PROUD...!!


 
RE: A wake up call to contest organizers Reply
by 4L5A on January 11, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
I hope nobody will boicot any contest and that will be right
Boicot is not right way of fixing the things
73 Al 4L5A
 
RE: A wake up call to contest organizers Reply
by LU5DX on January 11, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
LW2DX:

The lines below define boycot and also they define what kind of person HK3CQ is. He may have all the degrees and PHDs in the world, but certainly knows nothing about law principles and most important knows nothing about ham spirit, even less about contesting. He's not a bit of a contester, nor ham radio at all:


-Extracted form www.radio-sport.net-
"The situation is so severe that many have said they will no longer participate in CQWW contests until the committee takes action." (HK3CQ Dixit, according to www.radio-sport.net)


BTW you stated that you don't want things to be resolved in a "ham spirit way"

So, maybe lots of former entrants of WWSA wanna make you taste a bit of your own medicine.

I really hope that's not the case. WWSA is the most important contest managed by a South American Group and it would be really sad to see participation decrease because of all this crap generated by HK3CQ.

73

Martin, LU5DX
 
A wake up call to contest organizers Reply
by vk2cz on January 11, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
I don't anyone here from a bar of soap... but can we ask Dimirti & Girts & Tony to provide a PDF or image of their authorisation documents from the Colombian Ministry of Communications, or, ask the Colombian Ministry of Communications for a copy of any authorisation documentation provided to these visitors – to go to the contest event organisers.

I’m assuming Columbia has some type of Freedom of Information, more than likely it is the same as Australia where FOI can cost quite a few dollars.

Gee.. if anyone queried my operating authorisations, I always keep a PDF copy on my thumbdrive, as well as a certified copy for customs/immigration, and can provide these in 20 seconds flat.
 
RE: A wake up call to contest organizers Reply
by 4L5A on January 11, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
Dear David
Problem is not license because in all situation YL2KL and RA3CO is operate like guest operators
Problem is that same things locals is do and they are complaining now only about those 2
Even now in CQ WW 160M going to be active 5K0CW and I dont know if its club call or individual If individual then its again against they are law
Law need to be same for everyone
Asking to DQ when you your self not following law its very wrong
Also you can see LU1DZ advertizing he say nothing about license only talking about keyer
73 Al 4L5A
 
RE: A wake up call to contest organizers Reply
by LU5DX on January 12, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
Extracted from LU1DZ's article


"In addition, the operation is not permitted by Colombian law as cited in Chapter VII, Article 76, Section 9 of the rules that regulate amateur radio activities in that country, that states "The use of one's callsign by any other person is prohibited".


Well, I wonder why in QRZ.com there are several HK licenses under diferent individual names. There is one case where three different individuals are listed under the same callsign, yet that callsign is belongs to an HK citizen.

I also wonder how Multi Operations have been taking place when callsigns issued were issued to one individual person and are supposed to be used only by it's holder.

I wonder where all that HK3CQ's Almighty Airwaves WATCH DOG POWER was, when those operations took and take place!

Colombian law says nothing about Multi Operations, thus there is no exception at all.

Stop saying that those who don't endorse HK3CQ's actions are willing to break contest rules or radio regulations.

No one wants that. We only want at least the situation to be clarified by the pertaining authority, before naming names in a public forum. And even worse suggesting what CQ Contest Committee should do!!

First at least take a look at who are CQ WW Contest Committee at http://www.cqww.com/contact.htm

And then with all possible sincerity analyze if you deserve the right to even suggest them what to do in a situation like this!

73

Martin, LU5DX
 
RE: A wake up call to contest organizers Reply
by HK3CQ on January 15, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
It is regrettable the manner reality has been distorted with the operation of RA3CO, Dimitri Kriukov and YL2KL, Girts Budis in Colombia during the CQWW DX past contests. This is all really very amusing to read the comments of people who venture to speculate, providing false accusations against me without even knowing the truth of the facts, coming to false conclusions, concluding about facts they don’t know and even adjusting the Colombian law to advocate for illegal operations. For this I do have to clarify the following:

- The complaint submitted to the Ministry of Communications of Colombia was not only signed by me, HK3CQ, but also by 20 other recognized and noted dxers and contesters in Colombia. We are not unknown or anonymous; we are active hams and knowledgable of Colombian ham regulations and international contests. Among others, our complaint was signed/endorsed by HK3W, HK3CW, HK6DOS, HK1X, HK6P, HK3O, HK3TU, HJ3LAO, HJ3MQ, HK3GXI, HK3PSA, HK3GAL, HK3LGO, HK3Q, HK4KDO, HK1KXA, HK3JCA, HJ3LAO and HJ3MQ besides HK7AJE as the President of the Federation of Ham Clubs in Colombia, FRACOL (for its Spanish acronym), the national association which groups the largest number of hams in the country. Some of those who endorsed the complaint are not even members of FRACOL, I mention this as it has been said that the signatures had been wrongfully acquired, when on the contrary it was a spontaneous, conscientious and independent action. From the date the complaint was filed to the Ministry, many other Colombian hams have expressed their support and today, without a doubt, many others would additionally endorse the complaint.

- 4L5A and LU5DX have tried to diminish the accusations against RA3CO and YL2KL throwing dirt at HK3CQ with false and ridiculous accusations. Remember that not only HK3CQ has complained, in defense of the dignity and honesty of ham radio in Colombia but a number of other Colombian hams have endorsed this action, as many other hams from different parts of the world. Now 4L5A and LU5DX would have to fabricate more lies against all the signees and the facts would still be the same, RA3CO and YL2KL violated Colombian ham regulations and the rules of the CQWW DX operating without a license and operating using a lent call, expressly prohibited by our ham legislation, where guest operators are also prohibited. Section 9 of Article 76 of Decree 2058 of 1995, of the Colombian Ham regulations; specify that the holder of a ham license in Colombia “cannot allow the use of their call sign to any other person”. Article 16 of the same Decree reads: “To be able to operate as a ham radio operator, a license must be obtained from the Ministry of Communications, previously having approved the requirements indicated in this Decree”. Therefore, the accused did not file for a license, they simply and abusively took the call signs of other hams; RA3CO did it twice, in 2007 and 2008, knowingly. Maybe HK1RA did lend his call (he has also been included in our complaint) but HK3RA, Wolfgang Torres, never lent his call and was never even requested to do so.

- Evidently I HK3CQ, sent the information to K3EST advising about the abnormality and requesting DQ. It was the least I could do, being the CQ checkpoint for Colombia, besides all who signed the letter knew about this. Therefore the actions have not been solely on my part, nor have they been secret, everything has been public, transparent and in writing for everybody to see.

- The aforementioned means that I never violated the good faith principle. On the contrary, who violated the code were the unfortunate hams that took a risk, operating illegally knowingly, but looked the other way, thinking they wouldn’t get caught, deceiving the ham community worldwide. The CQWW contest committee was also deceived as logs were sent, knowing they had acted illegally.

- It would be very interesting that LU5DX unveiled the names of the Colombian hams that according to him did not endorse our complaints. This is not a poll or a probe for opinions, where the majority wins. This is about the truth and the law, all so simple. It would be amusing to know the calls of the HK’s that LU5DX says he contacted and they, if they exist, have no legal bearing and even less ham ethics or plain ethics for that matter. These hams should then promote changes in our legislation to change into legal what today is illegal, promoting self assignment of call signs, no licensing and radio anarchy. Sounds great doesn’t it?

- Also it was said that why did we not act before. If it weren’t for the operation of RA3CO it would all be still unknown, but due to his overwhelming hunger for another win, he decided to cross the line again (2008) and shoot for the stars the second time, if he wasn’t caught the first time why would he the second? We discovered the illegal operation of 2007 by looking at the results of the CQWW of 2007, where it clearly specifies that he operated as HK1AR. From this some local hams became suspicious and knowing that behind all this was HK1AR (W4OI) further research was performed finding the rest of the irregularities we listed in our complaint to the Ministry of Com. We are not professional PI’s to investigate the legality of every HK call on the airwaves but this came about because we heard the call HK3RA being used before and during the contest from somebody on CW, knowing that the legal owner of the call, Wolfgang Torres, is not a contester and does not know the code. We asked him directly and found the string that led us to the whole story behind that call and others in years prior. Simple story!

- The tale that HK3CQ created the story so he could rent his station is despicable! I have never rented my place and never will. Fortunately I live from my work as an economist, and PhD in history; I work in one of the most prestigious universities of my country, and an advisor and consultant and have the honor of being the VP of the Colombian Academy of History, without deepening further into my résumé. Therefore, I do not need to rent my ham shack. This lie was likely made-up by Anthony Rogozinsky HK1AR (W4OR) to discredit me, misinform and conceal his illegal operations. The facts are simple: A few years back when Mr. Rogozinsky came to Colombia, when I and others did not know of his antics, I lent (not rent) my ham station in my farm. From there he operated as 5K5Z, I traveled with HK3CW to check on him and ask him why he was operating as 5K5 when he should have operated as 5K3. He said it had been a mistake from the Ministry of Communications. At least on that occasion he did file for a legal license. The “mistake” … I never believed in, the ministry is very cautious with the paperwork and mistakes are corrected before any operation. Once Alberto Silva, LU1DZ, asked me for a QTH to rent to operate from Colombia and I provided Mr. Rogozinsky’s place in Cartagena, sending him the link. I never said I rented a place, I just told him of that place, the only one I knew of at the time. Later and slowly I and other Colombian hams began to understand the type of person Mr. Rogozinsky really was and began to distance ourselves from him. We also later knew of his EBay scams (he has had more than 34 eBay names and has been kicked off 33 times!). Now he resurfaces with false accusations to stand up for his illegal actions.

- If any ham decided to travel to Russia, Georgia or Argentina for a CQWW contest and use RA3CO, 4L5A or LU5DX or any other invented call, without any regard to local ham regulations, what would be the reaction of the impersonated hams? Would they disqualify them? Well this is the case, here and it is totally incomprehensible for us that some out there are pretending to justify these illegal operations, absolutely incredible!

- It is absurd to think that because the CQWW contest committee has not DQ’d anybody we are promoting a boycott against them, we are not as dumb as you think we are. This issue has other connotations and we trust that the contest committee will value our complaints and take the appropriate decisions. We will continue to participate and enjoy contests from Colombia, but we will not turn our heads to illegal operations, this is our land and it deserves respect.

- CQ has requested a formal response from the Ministry of Communications of Colombia. If this has not been submitted yet, it is because they have not taken any actions yet, it is not because they have denied our complaints, this issue is taken very seriously in Colombia and the Ministry does not act without taking the appropriate and legal actions against ham operators without making it’s own investigations. For you who still after all our research and evidence still do not believe our findings, just ask RA3CO and YL2KL for their legal operating license in Colombia, anybody who has operated legally from Colombia in the past will surely provide their license. We requested this to the CQWW contest committee more than a month ago. Will we ever see a legal license from Colombia from any of these two “hams”? I believe not!


 
RE: A wake up call to contest organizers Reply
by HK3CW on January 15, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
And who in heaven are you to speculate on what has happened in Colombia? For God's sake, you have absolutely no idea what has happened, how it happened and what has been done to remedy the situation and here you are judging the whole situation. Who in hell gave you the authority to make assertions and pass judgment? Now are are even speculating on a operation that has not even begun (5K0CW), saying that it is illegal? That is is not a club call, that it was allotted to me and nobody else. How do you know that, have you seen the license, have you any idea what you are talking about? What an idiot! Don't worry about me or our operation, I am legal and if you don't think so, file a complaint. Who the hell are you? The only thing I can surmise is that you must be a illiterate thug with nothing to say but shoot at everybody and everything you "think" is not right. Get a life, be a real man and act as a ham, not a thug.
 
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by HK3CW on January 15, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
>My post is directed to LU5DX...
 
RE: A wake up call to contest organizers Reply
by 4L5A on January 16, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
Its interesting why you send letter to K3EST to DQ YL2KL and RA3CO and ignore all other operation against the same law?
Why you quired about YL2KL 3 years and start that story only now?
If you have problem with somebody there locally PLEASE dont transfer responsibility to YL2KL and RA3CO
Do it different way
Its not rigth to against the people who comedown to your country like guest and pay money for renting station and trust local amateurs and now get complains and requests to DQ
73 Al 4L5A
 
RE: A wake up call to contest organizers Reply
by LU5DX on January 16, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
Hey Mr. Phd!

More of your yadi yadi yada!

Below you can see and excerpt from QRZ.com, and yes indeed 5K0CW is issued to you and it was going to be use not by someone else, but by three other different persons!

I really don't know how you tackled your Phd. If you cannot understand very simple text.

I never complained about your formal complain to your local PTT. That's fine. But such a respectful person as you are, should avoid bypassing the steps that lead to asking for DQing stations and making lobby to force CQ WW Contest Committee to act as you please. Your local PTT has said nothing about it. So you may consider shutting your yadi yadi yada mouth for a while and let your local authorities decide. Once they do, let CQ WW Contest Committee analyze the situation.
Everybody will respect the final decision they reach.

Keep insulting people! The more you do it, the more people realizes how valuable is your Phd!

Almighty Phd, thanks for unveiling who you really are through your words and through your lack of understanding.


Keep up the good work!!

Martin, LU5DX

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RE: A wake up call to contest organizers Reply
by LU5DX on January 16, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
Hi again Mr. Phd!

I overlooked your crappy note.
But now I see you say I'm a thug.

I looked it up in the dictionary and the result is:

One entry found.


Main Entry:
thug
Pronunciation:
\ˈthəg\
Function:
noun
Etymology:
Hindi & Urdu ṭhag, literally, thief
Date:
1810
: a brutal ruffian or assassin : gangster , tough


So you are saying I'm a brutal ruffian or assassin.

That's how the holocaust started. By accusing people of things they were not!!!



Martin, LU5DX
 
RE: A wake up call to contest organizers Reply
by HK3CW on January 16, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
LU5DX you ignorant asshole...who says I cannot have a call assigned to me and three or more other hams? You in you ignorance? Who says the call was only issued to me? You in your stupidity? Grown up and stop speculating and know what you are talking about. You have not even seen our license and who it was issued to or anything else. Because you read and post that says who will operate you invent that the call is fake or illegal..what an idiot! As I said before, if you believe we are not legal, file a complaint, send letters to the ARRL, RGSB or whoever your twisted mind thinks..who the hell do you think you are to just suggest we are illegal? How do we know your call is legal? How do we know who you really are. My Argentinean friends tend to think and have accused you openly of cheating in more than one contest. Now let's talk about you, do you really use low power when you say you do, are you using the cluster when you say unassisted..many say you don't...
 
RE: A wake up call to contest organizers Reply
by LU5DX on January 16, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
HK3CW!

5K0CW till yesterday was issued to you. And you were planning to let other two ops use it.

According to your friends that is not allowed by your HK regulations. Not even for multi op entries.

Your friends requested RA3CO/YL2KL to show scanned copies of their licenses. You should go ahead and do the same!

As far as packet cluster is concerned. Most of my entries in the past ten years are either in Multi Op Categories or in All Band Assisted. I can only recall just a couple of exceptions, where I was guest op at respectful people's stations. So you are accusing them too!!

I guess I only entered Low Power Categories twice, and yes I was using low power. And when I run high power I use lot less that I'm allowed to!! You stupid jerk! Ask my friends what I think of abusive power you idiot! Specially on CW!

I always promoted the Packet distinction to be eliminated precisely to avoid cheaters to claim being Single Ops!

Tell your LU friends to tell me what they tell you in my face and to stop accusing people like cowards do! With false accusations, without proof, and just to promote they freaking ideology, just like "de facto" governments servants used to do! Precisely here in LU!!


Martin, LU5DX
 
RE: A wake up call to contest organizers Reply
by HK3CW on January 16, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
LU5DX...where are you getting your information? Who says that 5K0CW was only issued to me? You are speculating again, you don't know jack! What proof do you have? And now, I was not planning, I am planning and I will be in the 160 mts contest, with my friends even if your jealous arrogant ass doesn't like it. I have nothing to hide just because you make wrongful and stupid accusations.
On the accusations you were the first to do it and when I accuse you, you call them cowards..so what were you when you started to accuse me and other HKs.
I will show my 5K0CW license to the authorities, not a stupid jerk who thinks he is bigger than life. Who are you to ask me for my license, show me yours. I am legal with my call and with the call 5K0CW. Strange how you ignorants start accusing whoever blows a whistle on RA3CA and YL2KL, what are you hiding, what are you after? Who are you so strangely defending? We HK's are men enough to say and complain, and file complaints and let the world know what we are after.
You on the contrary defend the unjustifiable, trying to discredit me and other HKs. How low can you get? Can you sleep at night? What kind of person are you, a blood sucking maggot?
If you have problems in Argentina with all the rest of contesters don't blow your steam here with others. Be legal, don't cheat in contests, as you have so for so many years. LUs know what you do and who you are, don't act stupid now..you very well know who has accused you in LU and who they are...using the stupid card now...pathetic!
 
RE: A wake up call to contest organizers Reply
by LU5DX on January 16, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
HK3CW.

By now I really I wish you were here to say what you are saying to me!!

You just cannot have a call assigned to more than one person in your country. If you have it it will be against your local regulations idiot!


http://www.mincomunicaciones.gov.co/mincom/src/user_docs/Archivos/normatividad/1995/Decretos/D02058d1995.pdf

http://www.mincomunicaciones.gov.co/mincom/src/user_docs/Archivos/normatividad/1997/Decretos/D02765d1997.pdf


I have no problems with any contesters here in LU.!
Your LU friends are cowardly telling stories about high power, packet cluster abuse, special callsings in use by LUs but not issued by our local PTT! All crap.

Just for your freaking information I've updated the listing of my contest entries so you can see I'm mostly SOAB (A) or MS/M2/MM.
When I was mostly SOSB in the 90s I used to contest with pencil and paper!! So what cluster abuse are you talking about???? I didn't even had a clue on how to connect packet cluster capabilities under DOS!!! And we even entered many MS/M2/MM without cluster at all till we started using N1MM logging soft in 2004/5!!

http://www.5bits.net/lu5dx_static/WEBPAGES/LU5DX_CONTEST_ENTRIES-updated.htm


You jerk!


Martin, LU5DX
 
RE: A wake up call to contest organizers Reply
by HK3CW on January 16, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
Lu5dx I'm about done with you and your idiotic accusations...where did you learn to read? I guess all you do is jerk off because you have no idea what you are saying. You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about and your interpretation of our regulations is obviously wrong.
You do have problems in LU and with a lot of people, don't say you don't, many despise your wrongful practices and disloyal contest antics. It was only a couple of days I starting asking LU's about you and the storm of complaints and arguments about you are astonishing! What a couple of emails cans do!
I can care less of your internet spots and you. Just mind yourself and your so called Argentinean friends..it seems you are not so popular as you think. Many are backstabbing you as you participate in this "dialogue". Have luck in the shit hole you call home and with your "friends"..
I won't answer any more of your anguished replies, take care of business at home, kill the skeletons in your closet then you can begin to judge and accuse the world.
 
RE: A wake up call to contest organizers Reply
by LU5DX on January 16, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
HK3CW.

You are the pathetic one here. I really have no clue who those LU that are accusing me of cheating are!

At least they never filed a formal complaint. I never received a single notification from my local PTT, or from any contest organizer.

As far as abusive power is concerned you can check the listing of stations I've been entering contest from. Always running less than what I'm allowed to. Using old L4Bs, TL922s, Alphas, Heathkits, maybe not wining but reaching world wide standings with 700-800 Watts.

But, well, maybe your LU friends specialize in this type of false propaganda. Maybe similar methods they used in the past, precisely here in Argentina, when maybe they were de facto governments servants.

Who knows?

One thing is clear you really get along well with these kind of people!




Martin, LU5DX
 
RE: A wake up call to contest organizers Reply
by LU5DX on January 16, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
HK3CW!

Don't talk about being popular!
First of all I don't think I'm popular at all!
I just can't even reproduce what most of the HK fellows I contacted say about you!!
They are so afraid of publicly saying what they think of all this crap you are promoting because of your mad practices and false propaganda accusations!

Before calling my home a shit hole, wash your mouth, look at yourself in the mirror and remember what you've done to your people,you freaking looser!
 
RE: A wake up call to contest organizers Reply
by LU5DX on January 16, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
For sure your LU friends must be backstabbing me!!

No wonder that's what cowards do best!



Main Entry:
Function:
noun
Date:
1946
: betrayal (as by a verbal attack against one not present) especially by a false friend
— back·stab \-ˌstab\ verb
— back·stab·ber \-ˌsta-bər\ noun


Sure your crap is all a verbal attack against somenone not present! In this case in your sordid email exchange with nefast people!

They are really good at doing it because they had been trained in defamation techniques long time ago. (with salaries payed with people's money)

All your creepy way of thinking, and acting, generating rumors with false accusations, that have never been proved led to the HOLOCAUST in the past and also to genocide in my Country.

You dork!
 
RE: A wake up call to contest organizers Reply
by lw2dx on February 21, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
Hi everyone....

Best is yet to come....!! Pse stay tuned...

Fernando
LW2DX
 
RE: A wake up call to contest organizers Reply
by HK3CW on February 26, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
Yes indeed, the official reply from the Ministry of Communications of Colombia and all pertinent information in English and Spanish, prove our case against fraudulent operations in Colombia.
http://www.scribd.com/mincomco14544398


 
RE: A wake up call to contest organizers Reply
by LU1DZ on February 27, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
Dear friends:

Without translating the entire document, it clearly states that both the operations were illegal by Colombian law, since their law prohibits use of an amateur callsign by any other person, neither applied for permission to operate in Colombia, and there are no reciprocal agreements between Colombia and Russia or Lithuania.

Now I guess we'll see if CQ is serious about the integrity their contests or not ...
73
Alberto LU1DZ
-o-0-o-
Ending the controversy Juan Camilo HK3CQ send copy of the Colombian Ministry paper to K3EST.

"email from HK3CQ to K3EST":

Subject: RE: HK3AR and HK1AR Illegal operation
Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 21:25:27 +0000

Dear Bob:

Please find attached one of the official responses from the Colombia Ministry of Communications.
As the CQWW Contest Committee requested, we filed a complaint to the Ministry of Communications with our proofs and facts.
Since we only received a response telling us the Ministry would start an investigation; the Colombian law provides a second manner to obtain a succinct and quick reply from government agencies, called a "Right to Petition".
We asked the PTT to provide 10 answers to 10 direct questions we made.
The Ministry had 15 business days to respond to our request and here is the official reply.
We did not translate the Right to Petition as the answers are self-explanatory.
We are also proving you with a notarized letter sent to the Ministry of Communications by Wolfgang Torres, HK3RA, stating his case.
Therefore, based on your request and our complaint and Right to Petition we think you have the sufficient evidence to take the appropriate actions.
We have not saved efforts to gain the evidence you now have. Rest assured that we will continue to safeguard our country´s regulations from illegal and fraudulent operations and we are acting as a group of more than 20 ham radio operators/contesters in Colombia.

We would greatly appreciate that you inform us of the actions taken, if any, in regard to our request.

Thanks again for your cooperation,

Juan Camilo Rodríguez HK3CQ

 
RE: A wake up call to contest organizers Reply
by g4odv on May 11, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
I have only just belatedly come across this thread and must confess that I am surprised to see it petered out without any serious comment from the US contesting fraternity. Maybe that was because it degenerated into a dog fight and there were an awful lot of red herrings and irrelavances introduced into the discussion.

The complaint made by the Columbian contesters is a serious one which goes deep into the roots of contesting ethics. The only comment from a single US station is that it should be kept quiet. Guys over there, this is your contest, is sweeping things under the carpet the way that you wish the world to see you? Can we expect to see this complaint and how it was investigated and resolved subsequently published in the CQ mag report, or will there be a quiet DQ at the bottom of the results tables, or again, nothing at all if the findings are in favour of RA3CO? I do not know how previous matters of this nature have been handled by the CQ committee.

With every contest entry that we submit we append a declaration to the effect that 'This station was operated within the terms of my licence' this is black and white, simple as that. If we don't have a licence then we are not entitled to operate let alone enter a contest, end of! It is incumbent upon each and everyone of us to ensure that we hold an appropriate licence and it is of no use to say that we relied upon so and so to arrange it - it is our responsibilty to ensure that a proper licence is in place and we should be prepared to show that licence to anybody who has authority to request sight of it. Ask yourself would you go to a foreign country which does not have a reciprocal agreement with your own licensing authority without arranging your own visitors licence, well in advance for many countries?

I cannot really see why CQ committee did not ask RA3CO to produce his authority to operate, maybe they have as we do not know what goes on behind the scenes, but it is pretty clear to me that the Columbian hams know their own rules plus the fact that the owner of the call has declared that he did not give permission for his callsign to be used.

No matter how this issue is resolved it does raise an ugly face of a culture where anything goes and a disregard of adhering to rules and ethics of contest operating. Only publishing of the full facts will be the necessary brake as a warning to others.

Brian 5B4AIZ.
 
RE: A wake up call to contest organizers Reply
by lw2dx on May 25, 2009 Mail this to a friend!

http://www.radio-sport.net/hk_ra3co2.htm

cheers...!!!

Fernando
LW2DX
 
RE: A wake up call to contest organizers Reply
by ec5kxa on June 8, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
HK3CW, no deberías perder el tiempo con payasos y pelotudos, que defienden a los tramposos, porque son de su misma calaña.

73
David
HK1KXA/EC5KXA
 
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