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Re: [TowerTalk] Fwd:  Fwd: Tower foundation and bedrock

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Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Fwd:  Fwd: Tower foundation and bedrock
From: Grant Saviers <grants2@pacbell.net>
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2019 11:33:30 -0700
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In addition to Steve's cautions, I would add that crank ups depend on the hoist cable strength to stay elevated (unless a locking tower which is designed to be guyed when locked). Guys add a lot of downforce on the hoist cable, both from the preload, and then several times more at max wind velocity. So check out the design calcs for all cable loads against its rated break strength. Sheave and winch winding diameters also affect the break strength as do the sheave axles.

All together, the PE calcs I have would strongly advise against adding guys to my HDX589. If the analysis shows the bottom section or anchor system is most likely to fail first, then I don't think there is much downside to adding guys to it, since the ground level wind field probably won't add a lot of tension to those guys.

Grant KZ1W

On 4/11/2019 8:45 AM, k7lxc--- via TowerTalk wrote:
   I made a lot of simulations for various wind conditions and found out that 
my tower, unguyed, was going to safe sustain wind up to 85 mph with a surface area 
of 20 sqft. As the wind, frequently, reaches that value where I live, on a hilltop 
in Southern Vermont, I simulated the possibility of adding guy wires. That increased 
the safe sustained value to 135 mph. So, against all advice, I have a guyed tower 
that can be unguyed.

     I don't have a problem with guying a self-supporting tower IF the guys 
have very little tension on them (less than 40 or so pounds). Tower strength comes from 
the legs - the more tension you put on the guy wires, the more compression you put on the 
legs thus decreasing the capacity of the legs to support the tower. With a small amount 
of tension, you're not trying to hold up the tower - just restrain it from wind forces. 
With little or no tension, you could be subject to wind slamming - a violent and 
potentially fatal condition.

     What is a guyed tower that can be unguyed per your comments above? I'm not 
sure what that means.

   I don't know where this misnomer comes from that a self-supported should be 
weaker if you added guy wires. Maybe somebody can tell me. I understand if the guy 
wires have a very steep angle the load on the tower will increase but that is not 
the case with mine.
     It's not weaker - it just has potentially less capacity.

Cheers,Steve     K7LXCTOWER TECH -Professional tower services for amateur and 
commercial


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