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Subject: Re: [TenTec] TenTec Digest, Vol 179, Issue 20
From: "Clint" <ve6cmm@secrs.com>
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Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2017 22:03:56 -0600
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Check this out.  It sounds like this guy had the same problems as you are
having.

http://www.eham.net/reviews/detail/113

73, Clint, VE3CMQ (formerly VE6CMM)



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Today's Topics:

   1. Centurion Problem (Michael Marx)
   2. Centurion Bias Transistor Follow on post (Michael Marx)
   3. Re: Centurion Bias Transistor Follow on post (James Duffer)
   4. Re: Centurion Bias Transistor Follow on post (Lee)
   5. Re: Centurion Bias Transistor Follow on post (w3ka@lycos.com)


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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2017 11:47:08 -0600
From: Michael Marx <sndtubes@vacuumtubes.com>
To: TenTec@contesting.com
Subject: [TenTec] Centurion Problem
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Hi Guys,

I have a Centurion that experienced some kind of arcing event which resulted
in one of the traces on the Filter/Rectifier board that connects to the
secondary of the transformer to actually vaporize.   I bridged the trace,
replaced the capacitors and checked the diodes.  After repairing /
rebuilding the board, I reinstalled it and now have normal B plus.  HOWEVER,
I have 200 mA of standby plate current.  This suggests the bias transistor
is blown and I have had this problem in the past.  Unfortunately, I replaced
the bias transistor and still have 200 mA of standby plate current.  My
question is:  Do any of you have an any idea of what to check besides the
bias transistor.  Or, is there some common cause for the transistor to fail?
I bought 5 of them from Mouser and hesitate to keep replacing them until I
know what is causing the failure.  The transistors I bought are IDENTICAL to
the transistor I bought from Ten Tec the last time it failed.  

thanks
73
Mike WB0SND

Michael Marx
sndtubes@vacuumtubes.com
636-939-9190

SND Tube Sales
105 N. Division St.
Bonne Terre, MO  63628






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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2017 12:09:53 -0600
From: Michael Marx <sndtubes@vacuumtubes.com>
To: TenTec@contesting.com
Cc: TenTec@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [TenTec] Centurion Bias Transistor Follow on post
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Guys,

I just posted a message about my Centurion with a bias problem.  As I stated
I replaced the bias transistor which did not fix the problem.  Here is
something interesting that I don?t understand.  I bought 5 of them from
Mouser.  When I measure the transistor junctions with my Fluke 87 meter in
the diode function, one junction seems normal as it measures .5 V in one
direction and open in the other.  Normal, right? Now the other junction
measures open in both directions.  It also measures open in ohmmeter mode.
Could I have bought 5 bad transistors?  Is that even possible?  What am I
doing wrong in testing these transistors?  They are just an NPN bipolar
transistor, right?  FYI it is an MJ15001G by ON.  This is exactly what Ten
Tec sent a few years ago when I had to replace the transistor.  

Very confused.

73
Mike WB0SND


Michael Marx
sndtubes@vacuumtubes.com
636-939-9190

SND Tube Sales
105 N. Division St.
Bonne Terre, MO  63628






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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2017 18:18:50 +0000
From: James Duffer <dufferjames@hotmail.com>
To: Michael Marx <sndtubes@vacuumtubes.com>, "TenTec@contesting.com"
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Subject: Re: [TenTec] Centurion Bias Transistor Follow on post
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Isn't it in the TO-204-2 package, where the case is the "drain"?
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<sndtubes@vacuumtubes.com>
Sent: Monday, November 20, 2017 12:09 PM
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Subject: [TenTec] Centurion Bias Transistor Follow on post

Guys,

I just posted a message about my Centurion with a bias problem.  As I stated
I replaced the bias transistor which did not fix the problem.  Here is
something interesting that I don?t understand.  I bought 5 of them from
Mouser.  When I measure the transistor junctions with my Fluke 87 meter in
the diode function, one junction seems normal as it measures .5 V in one
direction and open in the other.  Normal, right? Now the other junction
measures open in both directions.  It also measures open in ohmmeter mode.
Could I have bought 5 bad transistors?  Is that even possible?  What am I
doing wrong in testing these transistors?  They are just an NPN bipolar
transistor, right?  FYI it is an MJ15001G by ON.  This is exactly what Ten
Tec sent a few years ago when I had to replace the transistor.

Very confused.

73
Mike WB0SND


Michael Marx
sndtubes@vacuumtubes.com
636-939-9190

SND Tube Sales
105 N. Division St.
Bonne Terre, MO  63628




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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2017 18:59:56 +0000
From: Lee <lee@wa3fiy.com>
To: "Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment" <tentec@contesting.com>
Subject: Re: [TenTec] Centurion Bias Transistor Follow on post
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Hi Mike,

You are probably doing this but I will ask just to be sure.  Are you using
the BASE as the common test point and testing EMITTER and COLLECTOR to base.
In a NPN transistor the BASE - EMITTER junction is one diode where the BASE
is the anode and EMITTER the cathode.  The BASE
- COLLECTOR junction is the other diode where the BASE is the anode and
COLLECTOR  the cathode.  Testing the EMITTER - COLLECTOR leads will show
open in both directions when the BASE is open.

73,

-Lee-
WA3FIY

------ Original Message ------
From: "Michael Marx" <sndtubes@vacuumtubes.com>
To: TenTec@contesting.com
Cc: TenTec@yahoogroups.com
Sent: 11/20/2017 1:09:53 PM
Subject: [TenTec] Centurion Bias Transistor Follow on post

>Guys,
>
>I just posted a message about my Centurion with a bias problem.  As I 
>stated I replaced the bias transistor which did not fix the problem.
>Here is something interesting that I don?t understand.  I bought 5 of 
>them from Mouser.  When I measure the transistor junctions with my 
>Fluke 87 meter in the diode function, one junction seems normal as it 
>measures .5 V in one direction and open in the other.  Normal, right?
>Now the other junction measures open in both directions.  It also 
>measures open in ohmmeter mode.  Could I have bought 5 bad transistors?
>  Is that even possible?  What am I doing wrong in testing these 
>transistors?  They are just an NPN bipolar transistor, right?  FYI it 
>is an MJ15001G by ON.  This is exactly what Ten Tec sent a few years 
>ago when I had to replace the transistor.
>
>Very confused.
>
>73
>Mike WB0SND
>
>
>Michael Marx
>sndtubes@vacuumtubes.com
>636-939-9190
>
>SND Tube Sales
>105 N. Division St.
>Bonne Terre, MO  63628
>
>
>
>
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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2017 19:28:50 +0000
From: w3ka@lycos.com
To: Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment <tentec@contesting.com>
Subject: Re: [TenTec] Centurion Bias Transistor Follow on post
Message-ID: <7d1474c3c4e344babe2382575ddc34ff@lycos.com>
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Hi Mike.. When troubleshooting the same problem on a Ten Tec Titan 425,
excess idle current, the fix was an open diode, in the B- bias line to the
tubes.  I am not familiar with the centurion bias circuit, but check to see
if TT also used a diode in series with the B- line causing a loss of bias to
the tubes.  73, Jim


On 2017-11-20 18:09, Michael Marx wrote:

> Guys,
> 
> I just posted a message about my Centurion with a bias problem.  As I 
> stated I replaced the bias transistor which did not fix the problem.
> Here is something interesting that I don't understand.  I bought 5 of 
> them from Mouser.  When I measure the transistor junctions with my 
> Fluke 87 meter in the diode function, one junction seems normal as it 
> measures .5 V in one direction and open in the other.  Normal, right?
> Now the other junction measures open in both directions.  It also 
> measures open in ohmmeter mode.  Could I have bought 5 bad transistors?
>  Is that even possible?  What am I doing wrong in testing these 
> transistors?  They are just an NPN bipolar transistor, right?  FYI it 
> is an MJ15001G by ON.  This is exactly what Ten Tec sent a few years 
> ago when I had to replace the transistor.
> 
> Very confused.
> 
> 73
> Mike WB0SND
> 
> Michael Marx
> sndtubes@vacuumtubes.com
> 636-939-9190
> 
> SND Tube Sales
> 105 N. Division St.
> Bonne Terre, MO  63628
> 
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