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Re: [RFI] New RFI Filter For Neighbors Solar Edge Installation

To: "Hare, Ed, W1RFI" <w1rfi@arrl.org>
Subject: Re: [RFI] New RFI Filter For Neighbors Solar Edge Installation
From: David Eckhardt <davearea51a@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2022 23:28:53 +0000
List-post: <mailto:rfi@contesting.com>
Ed, this at least needs to be published in QST and QEX in the front on a
regular basis.  I'd strongly suggest it become a part of the usual QST
"Front End".  Hams in my area, N. Colorado, are totally ignorant of the
ARRL involvement with interference and the FCC.  I've tried to encourage
them to first do their homework and then contact ARRL, but many don't even
know ARRL may be intimately involved in these RFI cases, and, therefore,
are reluctant to involve ARRL.   I have one of those pending at present
addressing a grow operation.  I've encouraged him to document everything
and contact ARRL, but he doesn't believe that ARRL offers the intermediary
between the problem and FCC.  Of course, this will precipitate more traffic
for you guys, but the hams need to know they get this "service" from ARRL
membership.

Dave - WØLEV



On Wed, Feb 2, 2022 at 10:51 PM Hare, Ed, W1RFI <w1rfi@arrl.org> wrote:

> Steve Anderson, W1EMI, is ARRL’s RFI engineer now, so he should be the
> first point of contact. He is W1EMI@arrl.org.
>
> If you go to Laura Smith at the FCC, for an RFI problem, she will hand it
> over to us to do the initial work.  We were a bit behind on cases while the
> position was open, but almost caught up at this point.
>
> Our role is essentially:
>
> o Determine that the interference is harmful interference, matching the
> FCC’s long standing but informal interpretations.
> o Determine as best we can that the correct source has been identified.
> Misassumptions about the source are actually common
> o Determine that the amateur has read the applicable material related to
> his/her problem and has taken the right steps
> o The amateur must kill all power to his house and determine that the
> noise is still present at the same level as when his/her power was on
> o If the source is cooperative, ARRL staff will work with the ham and
> neighbor to help identify solutions
> o If the source is not cooperative, ARRL contacts the operator of an
> offending device by latter, beginning the FCC process under our agreement
> o If that secures cooperation, this is great. We will then try to help.
> Generally, if the source operator (neighbor, utility) is trying to resolve
> it, the best course of action is to keep local problems local. Going to FCC
> prematurely sometimes grinds cooperation to a halt.
> o If all of this fails and the involved parties are not willing to keep
> trying, we then turn a well-documented case over to the FCC. At that point,
> if their initial letter creates more interest in resolving the problem, we
> pick up on the case again.
>
> FCC does have interest in helping amateur radio with interference issues,
> but it has only a limited amount of time it can devote to our service.
> This work by ARRL not only helps hams, but it ensures that what time the
> FCC does have can be used effectively.
>
> Ed, W1RFI
> ARRL Lab
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* David Eckhardt <davearea51a@gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 2, 2022 12:57 PM
> *To:* Hare, Ed, W1RFI <w1rfi@arrl.org>
> *Cc:* Tony <73guddx@gmail.com>; Rfi List <rfi@contesting.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [RFI] New RFI Filter For Neighbors Solar Edge Installation
>
>
>
> These days, if there is a legitimate RFI problem and you've done your
> absolute best in attempting to resolve the problem (maybe even posting to
> the RFI/contesting site), don't go directly to the FCC.  You will be
> ignored.  In all respects, keep a level head.  Report the problem to ARRL,
> work with ARRL, and let them serve as the liaison between your problem and
> the FCC.  In many cases, ARRL (Ed Hare) has already gotten a leg up on your
> problem.  ARRL has a good working relationship with FCC in this respect and
> can accomplish far more than dealing directly with FCC  (again, you'll be
> ignored).
>
>
>
> Ed Hare, I believe this works best.  If I'm wrong, please correct us on
> the list.  Somehow, this should get out to all of hamdom, member of ARRL or
> not.
>
>
>
> Dave - WØLEV
>
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 2, 2022 at 12:51 PM Hare, Ed, W1RFI <w1rfi@arrl.org> wrote:
>
> Well, you didn't give up either, Tony, so what "ARRL" does is always a
> teamwork between staff, members, FCC and companies.
>
> Ed
>
> ________________________________
> From: Tony <73guddx@gmail.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 1, 2022 10:59 PM
> To: Hare, Ed, W1RFI <w1rfi@arrl.org>; Rfi List <rfi@contesting.com>
> Subject: Re: [RFI] New RFI Filter For Neighbors Solar Edge Installation
>
> On 2/1/2022 7:12 AM, Hare, Ed, W1RFI wrote:
> > And Tony, keep ARRL posted directly, too. We have this one as an open
> > case and I don't always read this reflector and do miss posts.
>
> Will do Ed.
>
> Thanks for working with Solar Edge and not giving up on tough cases like
> mine. The company went from denying any RFI issues with their products
> to actively working to find a solution. I don't think that would have
> happened without you and the league so thank you for that.
>
> Tony -K2MO
>
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>
> *Dave - WØLEV*
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