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Re: [RFI] Rheem AC RFI

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Subject: Re: [RFI] Rheem AC RFI
From: "Karin Johnson" <karinann@tampabay.rr.com>
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 2020 14:41:24 -0400
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David:

Thank you for the reply.

My spectrum analyzer is a Tektronix 7L12.  Although the lower

Frequency limit is DC, it is difficult to resolve meaningful signals

At very low frequencies due to the Zero marker leak thru masking

Any signals.

I will say that at HF frequencies above 3 MHz below 8 MHz is where most

Of the RFI is showing up.  Using the spectrum analyzer in  zero span mode

There is a very complex switching waveform which is hard to separate out

any 6500 Hz components.  Viewing the spectrum it occupies the above
frequency 

range.  Below about 3 MHz there is very little energy showing.  The AM
broadcast

Band is not affected at all.

Using some basic DF techniques I am pretty sure that the source is the
inverter

driving the compressor motor.

Just to clarify.  The COMPRESSOR motor is a three phase motor as shown in
the

Rheem documentation.  It is not self contained ECM motor, nor is it a
capacitor

Start type motor.  It is truly a three phase motor.  I have not had the
external

Metal surrounding all of the outside electronics off just yet, as I don't
want to 

Go too far down the rabbit hole with regard to voiding any warranty.  

I thought posting to this list might show another user with similar issues
with a 

similar unit.  I suspect there will be several solutions applied in the
final accounting

to solve this issue.

Right now the installers used the original un-shielded control wiring from
the inside

Thermostat to the outside electronics.  One part of the solution may be
having to 

Replace the un-shielded control wiring with shielded control wiring.

This system is sort of a state of the art control system, as it uses what
Rheem calls

ECONET.  The thermostat does not send a solid control signal generated by a
closed

Or open relay in the thermostat.  It uses a binary data stream coming from
the Thermostat

to the outside compressor unit and also the Air handler in the attic.  Sort
of like a CAN bus

communication system.  I'm not sure what the protocol and physical layer
component are.

 

I am speculating at this point, but this may be as simple as re-routing some
of the internal

Wiring in the outside unit to prevent coupling of the high power switching
components from

being coupled on to low voltage wiring.  One cannot simply put a low pass
filter on the data

Lines coming from the thermostat as it would kill the waveform logic high
and low.  

Common mode choke would be good here.   When they installed the new unit
they

Took off a common mode choke I had installed on the old thermostat control
wiring at the

outside unit.  The installers did not leave enough slack in the control
cable to install another

Choke.

Plus one other horrible thought.  If the high voltage inverter switching
signals are coupling to

The actual high side and low side Freon copper piping that presents a
difficult problem to solve.

Right now I'm just familiarizing myself with the system components.  So that
I can drag

The scope and current probes outside and do some more measurements.

 

Karin Anne Johnson  P.E. K3UU

Palm Harbor, FL 

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