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Re: [RFI] DSP for a noisy environment

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Subject: Re: [RFI] DSP for a noisy environment
From: CR <ka5s@earthlink.net>
Reply-to: ka5s@earthlink.net
Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2014 04:11:30 -0500
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One reason the Elecraft IF DSP (or any other IF DSP) works is that it's applied before the AGC detector, keeping the noise from reducing receiver gain. Quite a few audio DSP boxes are available, though and one might work well, depending on the type of noise. The disadvantage to conventional audio DSP is that noise that drives the AGC reduces receiver gain.

You might consider an analog RF noise cancelling accessory; ask around locally and see if anyone has one you could try.

Below are links to some eham reviews. You can be sure of hearing everything bad about a product at that site as well as the good, and some of it will be worthwhile heads-up's. Some reviews, however, will also mention how to avoid what the bad reviews don't like, usually but not always RTFM.

MFJ-1026 and 1025 http://www.eham.net/reviews/detail/1205
http://www.eham.net/reviews/review/105339 (the 1025 model has no preamp)

DX Solutions NCC-1
http://www.eham.net/reviews/detail/7361

Timewave ANC-4 (formerly sold as the JPS ANC-4)
http://www.eham.net/reviews/detail/1138

Odds are that your noise is radiated from the building wiring and you may find success by coupling the "noise antenna" input on any of these to that wiring with a current probe made from a split RFI ferrite; see
http://www.interferencetechnology.com/the-hf-current-probe-theory-and-application/

If you coupled to a power wire near the antenna that might work, but you run the risk of also cancelling any of thw desired signal the wiring picks up, and also overloading or damaging the noise canceller with the high RF level when you (or any other rooftop antenna user) transmit.

A disadvantage to RF noise cancelling is that -- assuming it works in your situation - it will probably need to be readjusted for each frequency your net uses. That might be easier once you mark the control positions where a null is found. And because it is in line with the transmitted RF when you key up, you may want to key the cancellers' RX/TX relay with a PTT signal instead of using built-in RF sampling. Keeping the noise-sampling antenna/probe away from the transmitter antenna is a good idea because of that problem, too, and the fact that if outside, it can pick up the desired signal as well and reduce THAT.


Cortland
KA5S

http://www.interferencetechnology.com/the-hf-current-probe-theory-and-application/#sthash.MQFkIEKB.dpuf
On 2/21/2014 8:30 PM, wa3afs@nycap.rr.com wrote:
We did try a KX3 and its DSP was quite an improvement.  That is why I am 
looking to see
what rigs may work well in this environment and the budget of the NWS who have 
agreed to
'look into' andd possibly fund this effort.

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