Hi Jack, I don't think Steve's issue is the same as yours. Suppose
everybody followed the format as you suggest. There is still a problem. In
a normal contest when running, and after getting the caller's info verified
correct, you would say TU QRZ W6FB. That let's the previous guy know that
you copied him correctly, and let's the next guys know when it's time to
jump.
In the sprint, you are not allowed to say QRZ without 5 KHz QSY. So how
does the responding station know that the CQer copied him correctly and
doesn't need a fill just because the responder concluded with his own call.
And then if everybody jumps at that point, the caller may not be able to
get a fill that he needs. This is what I believe Steve is addressing.
Before jumping, one needs to hear from the previous CQer some type of
acknowledgement that he copied the responder properly and is finished with
QSO. Only then should people jump in.
This is how I understand Steve N2IC.
Best,
Barry WA2VIU
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Barry Jacobson
WA2VIU
bdj@alum.mit.edu
@bdj_phd
On Mon, Feb 5, 2024, 7:48 AM Jack Brindle via CQ-Contest <
cq-contest@contesting.com> wrote:
> Nice troll, Steve, but I’ll bite.
>
> There actually is a problem in NA Sprint. It involves the exchange order.
> It seems the Sprint format has evolved over the years, and that has been
> brought into NA Sprint in the form of “unwritten rules”.
>
> The NA Sprint rules, for the exchange, state:
> "7. Exchange: To have a valid exchange, you must send all of the following
> information:
> The other station’s call sign, your call sign, a sequential serial number,
> your name,
> and your location (state, province or country). You may send this
> information in any order.
> For example:
> N6TR K7GM 154 RICK NC
> K7GM 122 TREE OR N6TR
>
> Note that it fully states that either format (or any other) is perfectly
> OK. But, in practice, this is not the case. The unwritten rule states that
> when you send CQ, you must send the exchange as follows:
> N6TR K7GM 154 RICK NC
> and when doing the S&P role, your exchange must take the form:
> K7GM 122 TREE OR N6TR
>
> I used the second form for my exchange. Eight very experienced Sprinters
> responded over the end of my call, so that I did not hear the beginning of
> their transmission, including the serial number. I managed to get a fill
> from a few, but the rest will look forward to a NIL.
>
> One of the rules we push to new contesters is to read the rules before a
> contest. In this case the rules lead you astray.
>
> The SSB Sprint has the same rule, but they also have a tips section that
> explains the format you should use for the exchange whether you are running
> or S&P. That tips section is referred to in the exchange rule.
>
> My suggestion is that it is time to take a good look at the NA Sprint
> rules and bring them up to date with these new unwritten rules which have
> evolved over time. If the order matters (and it is clear that it does),
> then the rules should say so!
>
> Otherwise we have a contest that is very unfriendly to new contestants who
> don’t know the unwritten rules. This type of contest will eventually die…
>
> 73,
> Jack, W6FB
>
> > On Feb 4, 2024, at 5:02 PM, Steve London <n2icarrl@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > There's been some grousing about Sprint QSO's not being acked, or the ack
> > getting covered by other stations calling.
> >
> > May I suggest we all use RR73 to ack in the September Sprint ?
> >
> > 73,
> > Steve, N2IC
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