ARRL should not be endorsing and encouraging illegal operation.
If this operation was in fact illegal (according to the published rules and
CEPT regulations) then the right thing to do is to disqualify this
operation. I even think that the checklog is insufficient because if the
operation was not legal, none of the QSOs would have been legally made. So
the log needs to be withdrawn entirely.
ARRL has the responsibility to set an example as one of the larger IARU
member societies and also the international secretariat of the IARU that
there are no exceptions to the rules.
The contest community should also not let unauthorized operation just
slide.
Ria
N2RJ
On Mon, Aug 21, 2023 at 1:52 PM outlook_5B91DD2A0B96EAEA@outlook.com <
dimitri.cosson@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello Ria,
>
>
>
> It also says :
>
>
>
> « Entrants agree to be bound by the decisions of the ARRL Awards
> Committee. »
>
>
>
>
>
> 73, Dimitri F4DSK
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *De : *rjairam@gmail.com
> *Envoyé le :*lundi 21 août 2023 05:11
> *À : *Naumann, Robert, W5OV <w5ov@arrl.org>
> *Cc : *Randy Thompson <k5zd@outlook.com>; cq-contest@contesting.com
> *Objet :*Re: [CQ-Contest] ARRL DX CW Results - Did Anyone Else Notice?
>
>
>
> >Unless French St. Martin finds the operation illegal,
>
> >on what basis should the ARRL take action?
>
>
>
> The contest rules say:
>
>
>
> “Entrants agree to follow the regulations of their operating licenses and
>
> station licenses at all
>
> Times”
>
>
>
> This is regardless of any enforcement.
>
>
>
> In this case only if French authorities explicitly find the operation legal
>
> then it should stand. Otherwise ARRL should apply the rules as written.
>
>
>
> 73
>
> Ria
>
> N2RJ
>
>
>
> On Sun, Aug 20, 2023 at 7:40 PM Naumann, Robert, W5OV via CQ-Contest <
>
> cq-contest@contesting.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Randy,
>
> >
>
> > As you and W2GD are original sponsors of that forum, your question is
>
> > specious.
>
> >
>
> > You said: “my arrl voice” “whatever that is” ?? Really? As a sponsor of
>
> > My ARRL Voice, that’s what you say?
>
> >
>
> > You have even more nerve than I have ever imagined. And, I have a
>
> > considerable imagination.
>
> >
>
> > The reality is that French St. Martin is the only authority that matters
>
> > here despite claims of outsiders.
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> >
>
> > The FCC has no jurisdiction over any operations in French St. Martin
>
> > despite the false claims made earlier.
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> >
>
> > We consulted with the FCC on this specific matter.
>
> >
>
> > Unless French St. Martin finds the operation illegal, on what basis
> should
>
> > the ARRL take action?
>
> >
>
> > I hope all ARRL contest entrants find comfort that ARRL contests are
>
> > adjudicated without consideration of specious personal opinions.
>
> >
>
> > 73,
>
> >
>
> > Bob W5OV
>
> > ARRL
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > ________________________________
>
> > From: Randy Thompson <k5zd@outlook.com>
>
> > Sent: Saturday, August 19, 2023 8:49:51 PM
>
> > To: Naumann, Robert, W5OV <W5OV@arrl.org>
>
> > Cc: cq-contest@contesting.com <cq-contest@contesting.com>
>
> > Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] ARRL DX CW Results - Did Anyone Else Notice?
>
> >
>
> > I think it is a legitimate question. ARRL did accept the operation, but
>
> > your response below doesn’t indicate that you had the proof either.
>
> >
>
> > We either accept the regulations for amateur radio in whatever country we
>
> > are operating from or we accept that there are no rules.
>
> >
>
> > What does my arrl voice (whatever that is) have to do with this topic?
>
> >
>
> > Randy K5ZD
>
> >
>
> > > On Aug 19, 2023, at 7:40 PM, Naumann, Robert, W5OV via CQ-Contest <
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> > cq-contest@contesting.com> wrote:
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> > >
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> > > John,
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> > >
>
> > > Please provide any proof that French St. Martin has disallowed this
>
> > operation.
>
> > >
>
> > > If you have no proof, please stop making false accusations.
>
> > >
>
> > > This is not "My ARRL Voice" where lies are accepted without any proof.
>
> > >
>
> > > 73,
>
> > > Bob W5OV
>
> > >
>
> > > ________________________________
>
> > > From: CQ-Contest <cq-contest-bounces+w5ov=arrl.org@contesting.com
>
> > <mailto:cq-contest-bounces+w5ov=arrl.org@contesting.com>> on behalf of
>
> > John Crovelli <w2gd@hotmail.com<mailto:w2gd@hotmail.com>>
>
> > > Sent: Saturday, August 19, 2023 12:56:19 PM
>
> > > To: cq-contest@contesting.com<mailto:cq-contest@contesting.com> <
>
> > cq-contest@contesting.com<mailto:cq-contest@contesting.com>>
>
> > > Subject: [CQ-Contest] ARRL DX CW Results - Did Anyone Else Notice?
>
> > >
>
> > >
>
> > > The 2023 ARRL DX CW results show FS/KO1A (IZ3EYZ) winning the SOAB Low
>
> > Power category over VP2V/AA7V. What caught my eye was a non-US citizen
>
> > using a US/FCC issued callsign operating from a French possession. Was
>
> > that allowed under CEPT?
>
> > >
>
> > > I looked into this further. Under CEPT Recommendation TR/61 as
> amended (
>
> >
> https://www.arrl.org/files/file/Reciprocal%20operating%20forms/TR6101.pdf
>
> > ) the CEPT rules specify an operator from a CEPT country must use the
>
> > callsign assigned in his or her home country when invoking a CEPT
>
> > authorization in a CEPT country. Both Italy and France are CEPT
>
> > participants. In this case TR/61 says using FS/IZ3EYZ would be
> compliant.
>
> > >
>
> > > USA CEPT rules (see https://www.arrl.org/cept) say a non-US citizen
> may
>
> > use a US issued callsign only while operating in the US or from a US
>
> > Territory. IZ3EYZ is not a US Citizen yet he used his US/FCC issued call
>
> > while operating outside the US (on French St. Martin).
>
> > >
>
> > > It seems highly unlikely the French Government granted him special
>
> > authorization to use a US issued callsign on French Saint Martin in lieu
> of
>
> > his Italian call. He could have applied for a "TO" call and been totally
>
> > legal.
>
> > >
>
> > > So the questions: Was the use of FS/KO1A for this ARRL DX CW operation
>
> > legal under US CEPT rules governing the use of a US issued call? If
> not a
>
> > legitimate use of his US call, should the operator have been awarded
> first
>
> > place over VP2V/AA7V in the results? If we agree use of an unauthorized
>
> > callsign took place, should the operation be assigned check log status
> or
>
> > be disqualified under ARRL DX rules? And one more question, should the
>
> > contacts made with FS/KO1A be given credit under the DXCC program if the
>
> > callsign was in fact unauthorized?
>
> > >
>
> > > Regards,
>
> > >
>
> > > John, W2GD/P44W
>
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