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Re: [CQ-Contest] ARRL to allow self-spotting in contests

To: "rjairam@gmail.com" <rjairam@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] ARRL to allow self-spotting in contests
From: Pete Smith N4ZR <pete.n4zr@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2022 09:27:00 -0500
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Ria, I'm not frustrated... I am simply concerned that allowing self-spotting will make it much less pleasant for me to pursue my personal goals.  If everyone and their sibling self spots, that will markedly reduce my chances as of being first on a spot when someone comes on a new band, which is my go-to technique. What's to stop them from self-spotting their intended run frequency *before* they come on a new band?

Also, as someone pointed out, the potential for malicious spotting is great.  If I want to sabotage your operation, what's to stop me from posting spots of you on the wrong band or frequency?

I simply think this was not well thought out, and that the result would have been different (and better) had the wider contesting community been more involved.

73, Pete N4ZR
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On 2/17/2022 5:46 AM, rjairam@gmail.com wrote:
It really isn’t the “nobody asked us” defense. Quite the opposite. There were several in the contest community who wanted contest rules out of the hands of the full Board and into the hands of the CAC and radiosport department. It doesn’t mean we don’t have input. It simply means that we don’t have a formal vote on every contest rule change.

As for smaller S&P stations? I’m not sure what changes for you. Care to elaborate?

I think a lot of us with smaller stations share frustrations of not being able to be competitive, for various reasons.


Ria
N2RJ




On Thu, Feb 17, 2022 at 1:05 AM Pete Smith N4ZR <pete.n4zr@gmail.com> wrote:

    But Ria, what about those of us with small stations who like assisted
    S&P? Surely there should be room for those of us who don't want to
    self-spot, but find unassisted S&P endless frustration. I'm with
    you -
    surely it would have been better to add a class.

    As for the Board not having voted on these new rules, why the heck
    not?
    Surely this isn't the "nobody asked us" defense?  If the Board aren't
    responsible for what people subordinate to you do, who is?

    73, Pete N4ZR
    Check out the new Reverse Beacon Network
    web server at<http://beta.reversebeacon.net>.
    For spots, please use your favorite
    "retail" DX cluster.

    On 2/16/2022 9:11 PM, rjairam@gmail.com wrote:
    > Hans, things progressed exactly as some of the harshest critics
    desired it
    > to go.
    >
    > But anyway, everything is in the minutes. There were no motions
    by the
    > Board to adopt these rules.
    >
    > Do I agree with them? My desire was for an “ultra unlimited”
    category to
    > have streaming and self spotting. I didn’t get that. I’m one voice.
    >
    > Do we need to adapt and evolve? Yes.
    >
    > But I’m glad we kept unassisted, so those who desire legacy
    contesting have
    > their sandbox to play in.
    >
    > Ria
    > N2RJ
    >
    > On Wed, Feb 16, 2022 at 8:53 PM Hans Brakob<kzerohb@gmail.com>
    wrote:
    >
    >> Nice sidestep, Director.
    >>
    >> 73, de Hans, KØHB
    >> “Just a Boy and his Radio”™
    >> ------------------------------
    >> *From:*
    CQ-Contest<cq-contest-bounces+kzerohb=gmail.com@contesting.com>
    >> on behalf ofrjairam@gmail.com <rjairam@gmail.com>
    >> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 16, 2022 7:24:37 PM
    >>
    >> *To:* Ken Boasi<n2zn@rochester.rr.com>
    >> *Cc:* Barry W2UP<w2up.co@gmail.com>; CQ-Contest Reflector <
    >> cq-contest@contesting.com>
    >> *Subject:* Re: [CQ-Contest] ARRL to allow self-spotting in contests
    >>
    >> The full Board does not make a motion to adopt rules changes
    anymore.
    >> This goes direct from the PSC to the radiosport department.
    There is a
    >> PSC report that is adopted (in the consent agenda) but that's about
    >> it. Also, the CAC is actually driving these rule changes now
    with the
    >> PSC merely approving their recommendations.
    >>
    >> Ria
    >> N2RJ
    >>
    >> On Wed, Feb 16, 2022 at 4:43 PM Ken
    Boasi<n2zn@rochester.rr.com> wrote:
    >>> I’m not an ARRL apologist, but the CAC has been discussing
    this since at
    >> least a year ago, and made a recommendation for this change in
    their July
    >> meeting.  You can look up the minutes on the ARRL website.  It
    is task
    >> 2020.5.
    >>> I presume it was adopted in January at the ARRL Board meeting.
    >>>
    >>> I am not in favor of the change, but I guess I had my chance
    to comment
    >> on this (like the rest of us) over the past year, and failed to
    do so,
    >> either because I wasn’t paying attention, forgot to, or just
    assumed that
    >> “they would never do something like that”. Lesson learned…
    >>> 73, Ken N2ZN
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>> On Feb 16, 2022, at 3:35 PM, Barry W2UP<w2up.co@gmail.com> wrote:
    >>>>
    >>>> So which contest software will be the first to add,
    "self-spot every
    >> 15
    >>>> seconds"?
    >>>>
    >>>> Seems ARRL is back on its secrecy kick.  I just renewed my ARRL
    >> membership
    >>>> for the 52nd year.  It may be my last.
    >>>>
    >>>> Barry W2UP
    >>>>
    >>>>> On Wed, Feb 16, 2022 at 10:36 AM
    PY2NY<py2ny.vitor@gmail.com> wrote:
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Good afternoon.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> I don't know exactly what to say or think about. My first
    impression
    >>>>> isn't good, including for those guys that are always "Assisted".
    >>>>> DXCluster will have thousands of self-spots.
    >>>>> Thanks God I'm always "no-Assisted"...
    >>>>>
    >>>>> 73 DX  and see you all next weekend.
    >>>>> .
    >>>>> ..
    >>>>> ...
    >>>>> --------------------------------
    >>>>> PY2NY / SP9NY / V26NY  - Vitor Luis Aidar dos Santos
    >>>>> http://military-jeep-brasil.blogspot.com.br/
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Em qua., 16 de fev. de 2022 às 09:23, Randy Thompson <
    >> k5zd@outlook.com>
    >>>>> escreveu:
    >>>>>
    >>>>>>  From the ARRL Contest Update today:
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> "New Rules in effect for all ARRL HF Contests in June
    >>>>>> Starting with the ARRL International Digital Contest, in all
    >> categories
    >>>>>> that allow assistance (Unlimited), the use of online and other
    >>>>> non-amateur
    >>>>>> radio platforms including but not limited to social media,
    live video
    >>>>>> streaming, and internet chat rooms will be allowed. In all
    Unlimited
    >> and
    >>>>>> Multioperator categories, the prohibition of self-spotting, and
    >> asking
    >>>>>> another station to spot you, will also be removed."
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> Wow.  It was one thing for the VHF contests to allow use of
    chat
    >> rooms
    >>>>> and
    >>>>>> telephone calls, now this is extended to all HF contests.
    It should
    >> be
    >>>>>> interesting to see what unintended consequences result from
    allowing
    >>>>>> multi-ops and assisted competitors to spot themselves. You
    could spot
    >>>>>> yourself with every CQ if you wanted to. Or you can call
    people on
    >> the
    >>>>>> phone and ask them to get on the air. Or send out email
    reminders to
    >> work
    >>>>>> you during the contest.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> It is likely to have the most impact on SSB to produce spotting
    >> equal to
    >>>>>> what the RBN does for CW and RTTY.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> For an organization that has always been so timid and
    conservative on
    >>>>> rule
    >>>>>> changes, the ARRL seems to have sprung this one without much
    >> consultation
    >>>>>> with the contest community.  I assume it is in reaction to
    the W2RE
    >>>>>> incident several years ago in ARRL DX where he used live
    streaming on
    >>>>>> Facebook during the contest.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> Randy K5ZD
    >>>>>>
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