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Re: [CQ-Contest] ARRL to allow self-spotting in contests = NO DRAMA

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Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] ARRL to allow self-spotting in contests = NO DRAMA
From: MARK BAILEY <kd4d@comcast.net>
Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2022 16:48:25 -0500 (EST)
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The entire concept of not confirming contest QSOs by non-amateur means, during 
and after the contest, and not using non-amateur means to correct logs after 
the contest is also -gone-.  Think you missed the serial number of a 
Sweepstakes QSO?  Just go to the Live Stream archive of the station, click on 
your QSO, and listen to it again!  Not sure your really worked that rare DX 
station - just check his Live Stream or on-line index into the archive.

73,

Mark, KD4D

> On 02/16/2022 3:44 PM Richard F DiDonna NN3W <richnn3w@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>  
> No, it means that you can solicit spots off the air.  You now need a social
> media director to broadcast your spots on:
> Reddit
> qrz.com
> Facebook
> Twitter
> cq-contest
> eham
> packet
> instagram
> pornhub
> 
> etc.
> 
> The entire concept of not soliciting contacts by non-amateur means is now
> -gone-
> 
> 73 Rich NN3W
> 
> On Wed, Feb 16, 2022 at 3:37 PM Steve Dyer W1SRD via CQ-Contest <
> cq-contest@contesting.com> wrote:
> 
> > Despite all the wailing and hair pulling on the list (and plenty more to
> > come), I see this as largely equivalent to SSB RBN without the RBN
> > aggregation as the feed.
> > It was predicted RBN would be the end of all things good in contesting
> > and it just didn't work out that way.
> > The biggest difference is RBN spots can be filtered out of the spot
> > stream by the user at the node level since RBN spots are tagged.
> > Time to get creative.
> > 73,
> > Steve
> > W1SRD
> >
> > > Wow that is quite a rule change! I have always enjoyed the randomness of
> > not
> > > knowing what rare station will call next or where and when I will be
> > > spotted. W2RE did not display his 20m operating frequency while live
> > > streaming so this is very different. I sure that computer literate people
> > > could have programs that regularly self spot. This could easily get out
> > of
> > > hand. Too bad there is no SSB RBN!
> > >
> > > John KK9A
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Randy Thompson k5zd wrote:
> > >
> > > >From the ARRL Contest Update today:
> > >
> > > "New Rules in effect for all ARRL HF Contests in June
> > > Starting with the ARRL International Digital Contest, in all categories
> > that
> > > allow assistance (Unlimited), the use of online and other non-amateur
> > radio
> > > platforms including but not limited to social media, live video
> > streaming,
> > > and internet chat rooms will be allowed. In all Unlimited and
> > Multioperator
> > > categories, the prohibition of self-spotting, and asking another station
> > to
> > > spot you, will also be removed."
> > >
> > > Wow.  It was one thing for the VHF contests to allow use of chat rooms
> > and
> > > telephone calls, now this is extended to all HF contests. It should be
> > > interesting to see what unintended consequences result from allowing
> > > multi-ops and assisted competitors to spot themselves. You could spot
> > > yourself with every CQ if you wanted to. Or you can call people on the
> > phone
> > > and ask them to get on the air. Or send out email reminders to work you
> > > during the contest.
> > >
> > > It is likely to have the most impact on SSB to produce spotting equal to
> > > what the RBN does for CW and RTTY.
> > >
> > > For an organization that has always been so timid and conservative on
> > rule
> > > changes, the ARRL seems to have sprung this one without much consultation
> > > with the contest community.  I assume it is in reaction to the W2RE
> > incident
> > > several years ago in ARRL DX where he used live streaming on Facebook
> > during
> > > the contest.
> > >
> > >
> > > Randy K5ZD
> > >
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