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Re: [CQ-Contest] Scandanvian propagation question

To: K9MA <k9ma@sdellington.us>
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Scandanvian propagation question
From: Courtney Judd <k4wi@k4wi.net>
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2022 06:33:11 -0600
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I can answer this one for sure... I am located west central Alabama (32.4/-87.6 ... EM62ef) and working Scandinavia on 10 meters my late afternoon their darkness was part of my contest game plan. There would always be 20 or more to work... easy points/mults! Then there was the very early morning 0900 opening long path to JA/far east over South Africa and noon openings to VU2. One Sunday afternoon I could pick out a very faint Q7 calling me.... finally swung the top antenna straight south over Antarctica  and there was 8Q7 calling me! I sure do miss my 10 mtr stack... 7/7/7/7... the tornadoes that swept thru Alabama in 2011 took it down.... 73's Cort K4WI

K9MA wrote on 1/30/2022 8:03 PM:
I don't know the exact propagation mechanism, but this path from far northern EU to the northern US is very often open. We may experience it more often here in the north-central US, because our geomagnetic latitude is close to that of southern Scandinavia, and at least 10 degrees higher than our geographic latitude. The openings happen in the winter, long after the band has gone dead to the rest of EU. It even happens on 10 meters in high sunspot years.

I don't know how much further south it extends in NA. May Jukka can tell us.

73,
Scott K9MA



On 1/30/2022 2:43 PM, Jukka Klemola wrote:
John,
You ask for wisdom "does anyone know of the propagation mechanism to
explain this"

Simple answer is, living here in Scandivnavia, been on the bands from
1982, all I can tell is the Queen Aurora shakes her skirt so every now
and then there is some dust or glitter that opens up the path.

It is 'rather typical' the path is there, but it is more typical the
areas at each end are small.
That is, the opening must be from an area to an area there are
stations and then the stations must be on.

Then the most difficult part:
At least one of the stations must call CQ so the other has the rare
opportunity to answer the CQing station.

The enigma in this is how often there are stations calling CQ to a
completely empty band?
Well .. sometimes the rag-chewers reveal the opening.

Against many possible odds, we do encounter these openings every now and then.

Typical Old Timer answer at local clubs here is that this propagation
happens only during contests. This propagation does not exist outside
countest hours.

Reckon that is not the whole truth. There is more to it.

We can analyze SFI, solar wind parameters, K or A figures ...
Yeap. You guessed right.


73,
Jukka OH6LI


su 30. tammik. 2022 klo 22.28 John Geiger (af5cc2@gmail.com) kirjoitti:
Something I have noticed during the ARRL DX contest, and other winter
contests, as well as during casual DXing, maybe a LA/SM/OH contester will
have a better explanation for this:

This past Friday I worked a SM3 on 15m FT8 at 5:15pm local time (2315 UTC), well past the time that the path to Europe on 15 had closed.  This isn't
the first time I have had this occur.  Over the past few years I have
witnessed this before, stations from LA/SM/OH coming through on 15 and 17 meters mid to late afternoon, several hours after the path to Europe had closed for that band.  They haven't been coming in the whole time since the disappearance of the rest of Europe, it is like a new path opens up several hours later, but only to these regions.  These areas in Europe will have been in darkness for several hours as well, dropping the MUF below 15 and
17 meters, but there they are.

This is a winter phenomena I am discussing.  I am very familiar with Europe coming in later at night on 15 and 17 during the summer months, especially
during higher sunspot numbers.

So does anyone know of the propagation mechanism to explain this-why this
one part of Europe comes in several hours after the path to the rest of
Europe has closed-and when it is well into darkness at their QTH?  I am
guessing it might have something to do with their location in the Auroral
Zone and some sort of Aurora to F2 hookup, but that is just a guess.

73 John AF5CC
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